Way to bend my argument, my friend. Who said that I should get a trophy by stomping only children?
My argument was that everybody should have the same chance to meet me (world-class players or children), children shouldn’t get additional advantage just because they are bad. Let’s RNG do its job and don’t mess with it.
You said about sports was already divided based on level, I agree. But every single sport tournament has weak teams/players that we all know from the start that they are only there to give points to other teams right? Like every FIFA World Cup would have teams like Japan or Korea just there to get stomped by Brazil or Germany. Nobody thinks that was wrong, why Blizzard is the exception?
Now should FIFA arrange a special route for Japan to proceed to the final by avoiding all the big boys from Europe and South America? Nope. But this is exactly what Blizzard is doing with Hearthstone.
lol you seriously think this? there are millions made by every team, it revolves around money and money alone. todays “weak team” is tomorrows world cup winner. none of them are there to make another team look good as i have taken it you meant here.
It is matching players based on wins and losses. You win more games, you get players who win more often.
I would guess, and I can’t prove this without data, that what feels like “rigged” is that the MMR system punishes outlier win streaks by forcing you to play better opponents faster. That after say six or seven straight wins, it moves you up by a larger number to get you where you belong sooner.
When my son started playing, he built a budget murloc paladin deck for the noob ladder. He won 14 straight games and suddenly he was playing people with decks better than mine. It took about 8-10 straight losses to get him back to competition that was fair to him.
But guess what? 14-10 over 24 games is about 50% and isn’t rigged.
The system doesn’t let you just win streak from bronze to legend without playing good players.
But the truth is there are teams like that in real life. And it’s not like those loser team are humiliated anyway though. Getting a chance to fight at the world stage is a huge honor that they fought their life for to get there (and will get fame and money later regardless of result). Think about FIFA World Cup again, Chinese players would be praised like national heroes if they got their team to World Cup, even if they would be eliminated in the group stage shortly after that.
Similarly, noobs in HS shouldn’t get embarashed by getting beaten by legend players. They should feel honor for it and stop lobbying Blizzard to open a back door for them.
In a tournament, only qualified teams make the mark. I don’t see 13 year olds playing soccer in local German clubs randomly getting matched with Professional adult teams.
Why insulting children? They can be good at this game. There have been very young master chess players who beat adults.
I think MMR would be fair if that was the ranking of the ladder system. Since it’s not, it’s not very fair that if you’re at Bronze level and beat 10 players in a row that your MMR should leap very high, since you would still be down in the Bronze/Silver rank. In this sense, Blizzard is creating a higher level than Bronze resistance against you, while you’re still low rank. There shouldn’t be a hidden MMR and a visible rank that differs. There should only be one of those.
i didnt make this clear in the first post, i was referring to battleground.
i made this comment 19 days ago, a couple days before an update… since that update i rarely see this happen anymore.
there are a couple of options i can come up with off the top of my head.
they saw my post and possibly anyone else that noticed this anomaly and decided to fix it.
they noticed the code was causing this not by design and decided to fix it.
they were doing it on purpose and realized it was too noticeable and decided to fix it.
i am inclined to think #2 is the logical choice, since the programmers are not idiots and would not do something so blatantly noticeable on purpose. which just backs up some of the arguments made concerning this topic. there is most likely a higher probability that many of the events that happen to a lot of us that dont seem random are a result of the code not doing what was expected. this still doesnt mean there is no manipulation going on, just makes it less likely.
Well yeah, sure, if you just handwave away inconsistencies with the algorithm as it “not doing what was expected” then of course it gets needlessly complicated. People just continuously complicate the theory until it fits an example then call it valid.
All the while, a regular ol’ MMR matchmaking system accomplishes the same thing.
Y’all do y’all, though. If you need a malicious software boogeyman to make bad luck, losses or whatever else feel better, by all means conspire away.
The more logical explanation is that using a general enigmatic term like ‘always’ filters out counter examples. Since you did not actually measure how often, you are not committed to a number you came up with, which protects your claim from being easily confirmed OR disconfirmed.
It could be that several times in a row or in a short sample size what you observed happened to occur, but if you are not actually keeping track of this by writing it down you bias the recollection of this happening to only when it happens.
Basically give me something I can definitively test. Of the top of my head this is not something I ever noticed, but without a solid hypothesis I can’t test it.
I will gladly participate if possible if you come up with something, I have for several peoples theories . Sometimes, like with FuntaC, the experiment ends before it begins when there are incorrect assumptions made about circumstances of events, but other times Ive clearly demonstrated that a card like wild growth has the exact same hard mulligan draw chance as dead mans hand (early game vs lategame card of the SAME mana cost) because someone thought blizzard feeds you cards for your mana curve to make gameplay smoother. If this were the case, those equal cost cards would have to have a different mulligan rate, but they did not.
I did not know for sure what the outcome would be before I did it, but logically I already knew that the outcome would be sufficient proof of the claim.
i guess you are just trying to prove the old proverb “knowledge may have its limits, but ignorance knows no bounds” eh?
but dont worry nostalgmus, we are all ignorant, just some are more than others.
Have caution defending anyone who is not your family or friends, you can never be certain, these days especially. It’s fine to argue both ways but keep in mind the billion dollar industries dont think like us.
And in truth you are NOT always matched up to someone of equal skill, that is visually obvious at times, usually noticed at the end of your win streak and several matches thereon, also when your angry…blizzard has satellites that detect your salty wavelengths and will stream negative karma down unto your person which in turn attracts leet decks
hmmm i just had a game of battleground, there were 3 of us left, i won against my opponent and the game ended with me in 2nd.
either someone was using a hack
or the code has a bug…
how do i report a possible bug?
nm, figured out how to report it. and since there was another player who experienced the same thing, it must be a bug.
