sites that record any data on decks or what decks are best preforming should be banned imo in hopes of removing the " meta or moron " mentality hearthstone is drifting towards.
no one is forcing anyone to do meta decks however, everyone ( who wishes to push and create there own decks ) must build there decks to counter meta decks they will be inevitably be facing.
i truly believe death of a card game is when creativity is shelved for meta.
I have a simpler solution: we casual players should play in casual if we can’t stand playing against meta decks
even in casual i still get plagued with meta decks. legit copy pasta style.
Casual mode is a good solution. You’ll see those decks less.
Even before these sites existed we still had well defined Meta’s. The deck lists may not have been refined as quickly as they are today, but the archetypes were not a secret from anyone.
I’m not entirely sure what this means. However, if your goal is to play for fun, It seems a bit silly to get frustrated about the people who are either trying to be competitive or simply enjoy playing those meta decks.
Personally, I love trying to make off meta decks work. Could be my own list or others I’ve found. I absolutely hate mirror matches in Hearthstone. I don’t particularly like steamrolling my opponents either, but sometimes you run into other off meta decks that people are trying to make work and you wreck them. That isn’t fun for me and I don’t see how it would be fun for my opponent either. I don’t care if my crummy list can beat other crummy lists, I want to test it against the best. That may just be me though.
yes very true. im not directly talking about archetypes but meta decks. a sub category of archetypes. for example control warrior is a archetype but a select control warrior deck winning above all others of that archetype is a meta deck.
we understood the archetype back then, we saw the decks in popularity but the accessibility wasn’t as easy as it is now which stifles the creativity.
i believe people are going straight to hsreplay and copying the meta deck instead of making there own. before a attempt was made they just copy paste.
i’m not getting frustrated/angry at anyone for playing a meta deck. i’m simply saying blizzard should ban sites like this so creativity can grow. my apologies, upon reflection my original post wasnt making that clear enough.
i wish there was coded selection for match making where off meta can face off meta and meta faces meta.
less yes yet its still heavily plagued. i think i havent had a off meta matchup wth my offmeta deck past 3 days of playing.
I believe the US government should ban Factory cars. Homebuilt cars can’t compete against factory designed cars. Creativity in cars is being removed by the “factory or moron” mentality of the car industry.
There is.
You need to concede to every meta deck you see immediately and soon you won’t see them.
I play decks I know are not good enough to ladder in casual and i concede ALL THE TIME to any deck I don’t like playing against. I concede to EVERY priest deck even when I am playing a priest deck because I hate to play against priests. I concede to all druids in casual because (deleted) that trash deck… which ever druid trash it is.
If you honestly just want to play for fun, then play for fun.
I am going to say this exact statement, but turned a couple degrees:
I want to go back to beating bad lists with my homemade decks.
Because that’s what you are really saying, that people are generally bad at deck building and that’s important to your win percentage.
If you honestly just want to have fun, don’t worry about what everyone is playing and only play the games you want to play. MMR will fix this for you.
if everyone had the possible skills to make a fully functional and legal card sure i can get behind it.
edit because i cant make a reply idk why.
well thats a nuclear option i meant more baseline but a solution is a solution…
a couple??? you twisted it so much i thought we where playing twister.
clearly you never played on a live mtg tournament.try going there with a “you made deck”…as long as those sites dont break any tos of blizzard theyll be always there
It may seem that way to you, but that’s the gist of what you said. You don’t want your opponents to have information because they make good decks with good information.
I don’t see deck building as the goal of the game, but you do.
Neither is wrong, honestly.
I see ladder as the place where you pilot decks to the best of your ability and casual as the place where you play with cards.
It helps me to keep them separate.
Everyone could learn the skills. That’s their problem.
In my autocratic government I will be the dictator who decides how people drive cars. Because the problem isn’t that my homebuilt cars are garbage that can’t compete with factory cars.
right foot green. left hand blue… havent played twister in a long time glad its with you.
let me help you so we can stop playing twister and get a conversation moving in a cohesive direction.
i believe a majority of people are just going straight to a 3rd party website to get the best meta deck possible which leads imo to stagnation in the creativity of decks and kills the possibility of deck invotation.
the point of this post is to plead that blizard should ban those third party sites so the game doesn’t have above mentioned issues.
everyone could but instead they are just 3d printing the cars from the 3rd party factory with zero innovation which i, dictator think is bad.
this car analogy is confusing. can we move away from it and speak plainly? cars and decks are not the same thing i cant believe i have to type this jesus christ.
I reject your deck information dictatorship.
thats fine. lets talk about why tho.
Because I want to play however I feel like playing, and not however you feel like I should be playing.
So if that isn’t the case, the majority of players would make decks that are not as good or consistent as the refined lists they have copied.
That’s why people do it - to save the time of figuring it all out. They would rather pilot decks than futz around with card choices.
This is false.
You are free to innovate anything you want to counter the decks you see. The people who copy lists don’t want to build decks, they want to play hearthstone.
The people that love to play and refine lists typically create what becomes the meta decks. Other players then pilot those decks or tweak them to make them work in pocket metas.
And the reply is that access to information has made it easier for the average player to get a good deck list to play. You want to take this away, correct?
The logical result is only people who are expert deck builders will play good lists. Most everyone else will have poorly optimized choices, which you seem to think is the ideal.
This.
I don’t want to spend my limited playing time trying to figure out what the best choices are to make X deck, I want to spend it playing the deck against good players.
It is perfectly fine if you prefer to experiment. It’s good! I hope you develop an amazing list that goes viral with your name on it!
If that deck you make does not do well on ladder, then you can refine it to make it better, or you can play casual as I described above.
Look, the point is fun and each of us defines fun a bit differently.
Edit: As I type this I am playing an off meta deck I made in casual. I adapted it from a friend’s list. I really like to play it, but it isn’t competitive on ladder right now.
oh my good god. im not trying to burn you at the stake for playing xyz meta deck im just asking for you to move my opinion via conversation. i might be in the wrng. you are not me and i see you have a different opinion. id like to hear in better detail besides one liner so i can possibly have a change of heart or maybe adjust my opinion. thats what me and selwynn are doing.
yes and kinda not really? i believe it would make it messier to copy a deck then it is now if the third party websites are removed yes. that extra step would be a additional 2 seconds.
cant be false if its a opinion. cant be true if its a opinion either but directly saying false is very rude. was that the intent?
in my opinion thats where the death of a card game comes in. a key function of a card game is building your deck.
yes. meta being readily available is problematic in my eyes. easiest route is what humans will take which in this scenerio is the 3rd party copy system.
i disagree with that assessment.
you arnt taking into account streaming/videos experts put out and just copying the deck via old fashion way. list style.
The statement, “in my opinion that’s where the death of a card game comes in “ is false.
This cannot be an opinion, in the same way that black suiting me better was an opinion of my father’s.
The statement is either a fact or a falsehood.
its not a statement its a opinion. losing my patience please understand im really giving you a human dignified response which now feels folly.