Pre-Release Tavern Brawl: farm packs for tickets?

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Everyone will get one free entry into the Pre-Release Tavern Brawl. After that, entry will cost 2 Tavern Tickets, 300 Gold, or 400 Runestones per run. For each run, you’ll lock in a deck and play until you get either 6 wins or 3 losses. Decks can be built with cards from Core Set, Whizbang’s Workshop, Perils in Paradise, and The Great Dark Beyond. Prize payouts will be based on how well you do on your run, as follows:

So, the question is: if I start a run, concede three times and collect the reward for zero wins, essentially converting two otherwise unused tavern tickets into two guaranteed packs from the latest expansions, is that how it works?

Of course, it’s no better than the Arena, if you think about it, even slightly worse, but saves you the trouble of drafting a deck and thus is faster. Or maybe it could be worth it to just play instead?

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why would you concede ? you may get lucky and win

1 win rewards you 2 packs

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It’s about time spent on the process, if playing it simply isn’t fun.

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Why would he play, 0 wins is two packs. Why waste his time if he has extra tavern tickets and he just wants to convert them into packs

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that only makes sense in arena 1 win barely gives you more rewards than 0

but in this event you get a total of 4 packs with just 1 win

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That’s the point: I consider player’s time to be valuable, and spending it on a chore sounds like… working for packs, which doesn’t sound very exciting.

Now, of course, if you’re having fun at it, wanna try out new cards or something like it, there’s no reason not to play.

Eh? Isn’t it three, namely 2 GDB and 1 PIP?

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Looking into it, it neither says cumulative or those are the end result rewards so a 1 win run could be just 2 packs or total of 4

20 packs for 6 wins seems high though, but 4 seems too low…

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That table is drawn in a dumb way, if you ask me, — you’ve got a point here.

I became a bit unsure while writing this post :grinning: , in fact, but here is this analysis:

https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/developer-insights-pre-release-tavern-brawl/

If you go 0-3, you still get 1x GDB + 1x PiP card packs. Of course, that’s not worth the 300 Gold entry fee, but given that it’s a baseline for not even winning a single game, it’s not terrible. Then at 3 wins, so an average win rate, the rewards are 2x GDB + 1x PiP card packs + a random GDB Common card. I’d say that’s pretty much a break-even point. PiP pack is a bit of a waste if you already own all of the cards from the set, but I’d wager that most people don’t. The Common card might seem like a silly reward, but if you haven’t pre-ordered and you rely on free packs to play this Brawl, you will certainly miss some Commons, so that reward MIGHT give you a useful card you can play in another run. And finally, at 6 wins, you get 4 GDB Packs + GDB Rare card + GDB Common card.

The reward structure is very flat overall. On the one hand, it’s good because even if you lose early then it’s not the end of the world. You still have a couple of packs. On the other hand, even going all the way to 6 wins isn’t THAT rewarding. Compared to what 300 Gold buys you, you get an extra GDB Pack + Rare + Common. It’s not terrible, but I would expect at least one extra pack for reaching the top score. I’m also not a big fan of rewards progression between 0 and 3 wins. You get only 2 packs for 0, 1, and 2 wins, so the jump from 2 to 3 wins is quite big.

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you are righ i already knew it only took 1 win to get 300 worth of rewards in packs no idea why i got confused now

but isnt it beter to do this on arena later if OP wants packs from new expansion so …isnt it better to do this on arena after expansion release

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Nope, apparently, I misread the table. :grinning: 0 to 2 wins yield the same number of packs, apparently.

You could always do that, of course, but there is the chore of drafting a deck. As for playing in Arena… Tried it a few times in the modern ‘era’, but no, thank you, I suppose.

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:laughing: :laughing: :lying_face: :lying_face: :rofl: :rofl:

That was genuinely funny to me, to see someone think winning 3 brawls before being eliminated would be average. Im reminded of how Duels was and how incredibly common it was to go 0-3 even with netdecks. pfffft

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Is it worth it? Yes. Wanna know why?

Nothing will feel better than pulverizing those who spent $80 on pre-purchase bundles, thinking they could snag six easy wins by exploiting the pay-to-win aspect of this event.

So, my suggestion: play, and rope as well.

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But what if you don’t care about them and their problems? :grinning:

By the way, according to the analysis cited above, it’s not even that great:

If that’s what they get for those $80, I suppose they might have punished themselves already. :rofl:

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Hmm, you are right.

But it would be funny, wouldn’t it? xD

Yeah, the rewards suck.

Why are packs the reward in an event where you need packs to gain an edge over others? I suppose they’re just fattening up the pig before the slaughter.

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because i (and others?) have not bought/opened (and wont) any packs in 4 or more years so do not have any cards to make decks with, so his idea sounds plausible since i just checked and have 31 tickets gathering dust

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Well, I suppose one could argue that getting some packs or even cards, as Stonekeep has noted, might aid you in subsequent runs:

The Common card might seem like a silly reward, but if you haven’t pre-ordered and you rely on free packs to play this Brawl, you will certainly miss some Commons, so that reward MIGHT give you a useful card you can play in another run.

There is also another passage from him I’d quote:

All of that said, would I recommend playing it? Well, yes, and no. I think the biggest elephant in the room is the Brawl being “P2W” and kind of luck-based, depending on the cards you open. Players who don’t pre-purchase will be put at a heavy disadvantage compared to players who do. Even among those who pre-purchased there will be a big disparity. Yes, pre-purchase will give you all of the Commons and Rares, but not Epics and Legendaries. One player might open the strongest ones while another might get something completely useless. Of course, we still don’t know how the Brawl meta will look. Maybe some of the strongest decks will only run a few GDB Commons. Heck, maybe there will be viable decks that don’t even require any GDB cards at all (we’ll definitely try to look for some).

On the other hand, all players will get an entry for free, so there’s no harm in trying it out, especially if you pre-ordered. If you enjoy the Brawl meta or simply want to try to gamble some Gold for extra packs, then by all means, go ahead. I can recommend it much more easily than the Heroic Tavern Brawl.

However, this also reminds me of their signature way of ‘trolling’ F2P players. For example, I was thinking of Mercenaries in particular (sorry if that’s not your cup of tea, but that’d be my specialty and what I probably know best): some bosses drop ‘coins’ for mercs (primarily expensive ones) that they are supposed to be weak against (e.g. Avalanchan/Ragnaros, Ursula/Thrall, Icehowl/Alexstrasza, Garr/Jaina respectively)… So if you’re a P2W ‘whale’ and already got that merc from the packs you bought, that’s supposedly good for you, but if you’re farming the boss to actually craft that legendary merc — well… :grinning: :wink: Of course, you don’t really need those mercs in order to farm those bosses quite effectively, but the perceived design logic there is… peculiar.

I’ve just been doing some research of sorts, related to this question, by reading this article:

https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/what-decks-will-be-playable-in-the-great-dark-beyond-pre-release-brawl/

Of course, it’s pure ‘theorycrafting’ at this point, but if those packs turn out not so impactful in terms of performance in this brawl, then the joke will be on those ‘whales’ indeed. :grinning:

I understand not buying packs, but not even opening some occasional free ones from reward tracks, tavern brawls and such?

(Updated, expanded a bit)

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I was thinking the same, just checked I have 26 tavern tickets… never using them… Maybe this is a good chance to turn them into packs by just playing this prebrawl using my tickets.

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Building a deck for the event and seeing how far you’d come would probably have cost less time than debating whether or not it’s worth it in this thread :stuck_out_tongue:

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F2P try-harding here I come.

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It will be challenging tough to build a usable deck from only the new sets and core since have no Dark packs yet… But I already have an idea for that, maybe will worth a few wins without the new cards too. :slight_smile: