Why was Giggling Inventor nerfed if you were just going to print something even worse? Is it supposed to be okay because it is legendary and you can only play one? The problem is when it is played, I’m not thinking “oh at least they won’t play another one”. I’m thinking “Oh I guess I just lost”.
Not to mention that two classes can play it, so it shows up a lot.
Furthermore mage in general is disgusting. Why do giants exist at all? Especially when you can combo them with “Conjurer’s Calling” which should NOT even be a twin spell !
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You think Jandice is better than GI? That is hilarious. The serve 2 vastly different purposes. GI was a control / Evo Shaman target. Jandice is a mid game threat.
The random pick from Jandice is hardly ever an issue. 99% of the time, you know which one is going to the one hitter quitter. Coupled with her 1 health, its not hard to ping off 2 of her 3 targets.
Least of mages problems is Conjurer’s. Giant into double Conjurer’s is 3 targets from 1. Not game breaking by today’s standards. In fact, its relatively tame.
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8 mana giants? I don’t think they are problematic in standard
why not 
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What are you smoking? I’d take playing vs a 5 mana GI vs a 5 mana Jandice any day. It is irrelevant that they serve different purposes, and some classes could even use GI as a significant threat. Knowing which card to ping doesn’t help if you don’t have the minions to trade or you are just going to get hit in the face with it. Even classes that can ping are left with only 3 mana to deal with the left over 2 minions. You thinking is completely outside of reality.
Getting free trades is game breaking. Getting two giant minions from one is as well. That is why evo shaman can be so powerful in wild.
I can understand that you are tilted. However, look at it from a numbers stand point.
Jandice has a 53% winrate. There are like 30 cards on top of her. I would like you to also know that i read your post, wall of text that it was. I would only offer you a couple pieces of advice. Mages and Rogues run her. All of them. You know it, i know it, they know it…
So plan for it, if you have trouble dealing with it, will all the generation cards in the game currently, its not hard to pull a small board clear like an arcane explosion, consecrate, whirlwind / bladestorm, fan of knives, lightning storm / dust ele, holy nova (or 50 other priest AoEs), swipe, hellfire, blade dance (which is run in DH decks), and explosive trap.
I don’s know what decks you play, but if your getting beat up by Jandice, i can only assume you are playing some type of mid range hunter or DH. Every other class / deck has a easy enough way to deal with her. Is it a strong card? Yes, is it overtly overpowered? No. For all the good hits, there are alot of bad hits as well.
Instead of complaining about a card, learn what you can do counter it and worry about cards that are truly OP. Jandice doesn’t even make the top 30 of that list.
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Again, you offer no basis for your claims. While Hearthstone Mathematics just awarded Jandice as “the most popular legendary from the new set” and the number 5 of the best legendary cards for laddering out of NINETY.
Also you have no basis for complaining about my post when it was shorter than your response.
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haha rekt!
Remy makes some very good points. Every new inclusion of “RNG Powah!” cards just ruins this game a bit more each time so i’m all for nerfbat/removal of Jandice.
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so is just " people are plaaaaying a card i dont like neeeeeeerf!!"thread
sorry we are allowed to have nice cards mage and shaman specially need those
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Jandice is fine. Nothing wrong with the card on its own. The problem is Shadowstep. This along with Sorcerer apprentice are 2 cards that should have been Hall of Fame’d ages ago.
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I was gonna say, I only get wrecked by Jandice when she’s shadowstepped (which is gonna be always vs secret rogue)
Did’nt see an instance of “haha Rekt”. But I’ll bite.
Remy chose “Hearthstone Mathematics” as his source. A youtube channel bot with ~70k subscribers. Hardly an informed source. I chose the gold standard for individual card statistics, HSReplay. Did i mention that it wasent popular? No. Your arguement was that it is OP.
HS Stats, its in 11.5% of decks. And it has a 53.6% winrate. That almost mirrors your video you posted, however i would assume that number will drop as Turtle Mage dies off and mage would be left with only Highlander and Tempo.
Current list of legendaries with better winrates over Jandice.
High Abbess Alura - 58.9
Lady Liadrin - 58.9
Dragon Bane - 58.6
Murgur Murgurgle - 58.6
Dinotamer Brann - 56.7
Lorekeeper Polkelt - 56.0
Ace Hunter Kreen - 55.9 (And who even plays this card, cant say i have ever seen it played)
Kayn Sunfury - 55.8
Soulciologist Malicia - 55.5
Magtheridon - 54.6
Altruis - 54.5
Lord Barov - 54.5
Chenvaala - 54.3
Blastmaster Boom - 54.0
We’re almost there i promise
Krastinov - 53.8
Infiltrator Lillian - 53.7
Sheesh, Jandice - 53.6
How about we don’t worry about a slightly above average win-rate Legendary when there are clearly better legendaries AND decks. Which by the way, Jandice doesn’t show up until the bottom of tier 2 and that’s only for rogue.
So i will leave this post, having given you examples to play around her, providing context to how not OP she is, and countering Bling’s “haha Rekt” with a “haha rekt” of my own.
Also in the future, there are a widely accepted couple of hearthstone statistics sites that are used. HSReplay for card stats, and Vicious Syndicate for Decks / Meta in there VS reports. ( just always make sure to limit your range to say D1-D4 or even legend for truer reports. Since i know you wont read it, ill post the VS report on rogues and mages.
Mage
**Cyclone Mage is looking stronger than before, helped by the fall of Druid. Its match up spread is fairly balanced at the moment, and it doesn’t mind queuing into most opponents. While Soul Demon Hunter is challenging to play against, Mage would rather face them than Bomb Warriors. That’s the one matchup you really hate to see, and perhaps, you’re about to see more of them soon.
**Highlander Mage still sits in dumpster territory, though we will reiterate that the Cyclone Highlander Mage build is a stronger choice that belongs in Tier 3 at the very least. But, you might wonder whether there’s a competitive reason to play it over Cyclone Mage in the current meta, and we don’t really have a good answer to that.
Rogue
**Miracle Rogue looks okay, but not great. It still suffers from the usual refinement issues which might be holding it back to some degree, and the Soul DH/Bomb Warrior matchups remain irritating. It doesn’t seem to possess outstanding strengths that would entice players to choose it over other decks. You play Miracle Rogue because you want to play Miracle Rogue.
**Aggro Rogue continues to look very underwhelming, though we will say it now has a clear best choice in its variant. The Dancer build is currently outperforming other variants by a significant margin, and should it completely take over, the archetype might edge closer to the 50% win rate mark.
**Galakrond Rogue’s performance doesn’t seem to be too encouraging, but the archetype is still fairly experimental, so its current win rate can be forgiven. There are many different approaches being tested and there’s a good chance it will get better once it settles on the best one. The nerf to Druid, its worse matchup, possibly opened a window of opportunity for it to come back.
Obligitory, HAHA rekt
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so thats what "hearthstone mathematics " is i thought it was a term he made up
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The channel is not a “bot”, I don’t know where you come up with such an absurd accusation when it is obviously just the face of the channel. It is irrelevant how many subscribers it has, as that isn’t where they source their information unless they are specifically asking the viewers for their opinions.
If you had bothered reading my post, you would also see Jandice was picked as the number 5 best legendary card for laddering, this speaks to the power of it, not just the popularity.
HSreplay shows it in 8.1% of decks with a 54.4% deck winrate. So your numbers seem a bit off.
Obviously legendaries in Tier one decks will have a higher winrate
and finisher legendaries will have a higher played winrate.
This doesn’t disprove my comparison with GI, nor does it necessarily prove that the other legendaries are more OP.
If anything, a legendary that isn’t played as much and still manages to be annoying is more impressive than one that is played all the time in tier one decks.
It would be best if you didn’t declare yourself to have rekt anyone, unless you want to look like a petulant child.
Wild player only here. If she gets a buff to 4 mana i will put her in some of my decks, otherwise not…