I have played over 300 games (hmm maybe bit more, ~200 top4’s) since then and my mmr never dropped by more than 500-600. I started at 8500 then after a long break (and I still managed to not fall there), now I’m at 10k, the biggest fall was to ~9400.
I don’t gamble (usually, but I do like playing Flurgl (big gamble)), I don’t try to force a win. I usually play for top4. I don’t think I’ve ever (in those 300 games) had 2 8th finishes in a row (I did have 2x 7/8 though) and my longest winstreak (1st) is also only 3.
Don’t complain that game is random if you like gambling strategies (e.g., always forcing murlocs and hoping you just magically hit that brann). If you don’t like it - stop doing it.
Always playing for 1st is a way of playing BG (and probably overall faster way to climb, if you’re actually good), but then you have to also accept that you will be getting some long stretches of 8th’s and big swings in mmr too.
Do you actually enjoy it? Playing the same 3 builds every game, knowing you probably won’t win?
I don’t play any build at all. Playing for 4th generally means grabbing whatever is best for next turn. I quite often end up with menagerie lately. I’ve even won games from that tho, with golden lightfang and amalgam.
Of course I enjoy that, why wouldn’t I (I wouldn’t play it, if I didn’t). If I feel like forcing murlocs, I pick brann, flurgl or shudder (or aranna I guess) and go on trying to do that 
(although of course I would still try to avoid going out in 8th, especially if I fall below 25 hp too early).
Yes, you do. You play mid-range builds. Grabbing the best cards and revolving around cannons, jugglers and cobalts is the definition of playing a mid range build.
Having random garbage is not menagerie. It’s having random garbage.
What you are actually doing is playing mid range, stumble on a Lightfang, buff your mid range for a few rounds and selling it or get killed in the process, because you got it way too late for an actual menagerie.
Well that hints quite well to me why you lose so much and can’t win in this game.
I’ll give you another example. I have 6 murlocs and just got brann on brann (a game I just played) [i have 2 health left]. My murlocs are relatively low dmg. I got a menagerie magician. What do I do? Sell a murloc (buffed, 3/8), buy a DS dragon.
Next turn, magician again. What do I do? Sell a murloc (5/10), buy a highmane.
Both turns, if I stayed on murlocs, I would have lost, but those adjustments helped me through the 2 turns.
I sold the beast next turn (got bagurgle) and the dragon 2 turns later (got megasaur). Ended up losing to another murloc build who had DS+PS and still went out in 4th (I got +3 health and deathrattle from my only megasaur).
If I didn’t do the menagerie switch midgame, I would have gone out in 8th or 7th.
Even picking brann was risky (I almost took annihilan which would have won the round easily), but I decided it was worthy risk (opponent was early Tier5, so he seemed beatable, even thogh he won 3 rounds in a row) considering I already had a bunch of murlocs and with brann I would be playing for 1st (was a 50/50 fight which I luckily won).
“Random garbage” is how you get through midgame even if you are already building for something endgame.
So much this. The key for me is I have waited much later to pick a build. The days of deciding to “play dragons” a couple turns in are gone. It’s freqeutly a losing plan these days.
Well if I (or much of anyone else I see) end up tiering to 5 really fast (e.g., T8), then I still often end up with dragons, sometimes murlocs. It usually is correct to force dragons on early tier5. And it’s almost never correct on late one (e.g., turn10-11) (too slow).
Bloody hell… are you serious? He was talking about garbage. Not something that can improve your board.
How would you improve your board if you havent highrolled solid cards and got cards like boombot, kindly grandmother, juggler or bolvar?
So basically if you get true random garbage.
Bolvar is amazing on his own, but obviously I would try to get a 2nd DS from anywhere (even if that means buying the tier1 DS minion), if I need a boost.
I would not buy a juggler ever if I don’t already have at least 1 demon.
Same goes for grandmother. I would not buy it, unless I already have a hyena.
Getting synergies you won’t need later is not “highrolling”, it’s surviving. And they do show up often enough that you would rarely end up with just plain board.
And thats my point. You have mentioned “random garbage” and you have made an example of pretty great cards (DS dragon + Magician while having Brann) etc. then getting offered beast and magicial for menagerie swap.
I wouldnt call that a random garbage. More like lucky tavern rolls.
Nah, he called my strategy “getting random garbage”. I mean if he’s getting completely random minions, then I wonder how he even got to 7k…
It’s quite impossible to never get synergies.
Then I was wrong, my bad.
I thought he was talking about getting offered random crap that doesnt actually improve your board in any way - over and over again (that happens from time to time) because he mentioned it before.
I think you missed my point.
I was indicating that in earlier iterations of BG you could decide on a tribe or strategy in the first two or three turns based on what you got, then force that combo to end game and be okay.
For example, AFKay used to be viable when you had a high chance to get what amounted to a game making minion from her hero power (cobalt, floating watcher, etc.).
It seems essential minions are all pushed to later tiers and the goal is now survive to find a combo for the end game, of which pushing dragons on early T5 is one.
People who are refreshing the tavern looking for cards are dead by turn 9 in the current meta.
Nah wouldn’t say that ever worked. You always bought cobolt, no matter what you did, you always bought other strong T3 minions. I wouldn’t call that forcing a strategy if you buy other strong minions. If you “forced” dragons, then you would ignore a cobolt. And then get smacked by everyone else who did buy them.
Mechs can stay T4 until the end. Big demons (or more precisely - big weavers + DS) can stay T2 for a while.
Pogo can stay T2 and then rush T4 (although pogo’s really work only for shudder and aranna and that’s still a gamble (you’d have to randomly stumble upon at least 2 pogos, better yet, full 3 early to be crazy enough to force pogos).
If you want to force early murlocs, you would also have to stay T3 for a while, at least until you get a triple ready.
If you can rush T5 without losing too much health, then sure, ez game. The more important games though are the ones when you can’t do it and you have to find things that work without upgrading and can get a top4 finish.
People force stuff too much, they would never pay 3 Gold for +1/+1 and look toward the future, instead they reroll until they get something that’s worth their Gold.
I just found out khadgar combines with khadgar. I had brann and 2 khadgar and each token minion made 8 tokens. It was crazy. I went from nothing to god murlocs in one turn and upgraded to 5 and to 6 in one turn as well and still had 6 gold at end of turn. 1 to 2 to 4 to 8. I cant imagine the nuttiness if you have a gold one in here too. You wouldnt be able to do your turn.
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If you have 2 khadgars and 1 brann then there’s only 4 spaces left, so 3 tokens max.
Wrong Bio which means you have never done this combo. It makes 3 of same minion so they combine in your hand and keep spawning. Its a weird interaction but its how you do the miracle murloc switch.
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Well I most certainly never buy khadgar, but I guess I did say it myself - 3 tokens, which is a gold duh. XD
Dude i don’t know in what lucky games you play to even consider taking a grand mother and an hyena just for synergie. Even if it’s for " survive " like you said, in my game and seems than we are atthe same mmr, you do this, you die.
I don’t said to force a tribe, but picking some things to survive mean you’re already dying, and if you fight one of the strong top 4 plzyer, you can pick your bolvar and 1/1 divine shield, but do that and you’re so dead wtf. Picking strong card to survive, but in your game plan or you’re just a dead body or a punching bag.
But i’m pretty agree with a lot of think you said
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