Perfect Curve, & Singleton Decks

How often do you loose to a deck that has a super optimal mana curve? Or a Singleton deck that pops out several optimally synergistic legendaries in a row? Just a question.

I understand being up against a deck that “happens” to be better, composition-wise than yours but, to me this is yet ANOTHER indicator that matches are rigged to produce general win/loss rate medians [keep most players around or below 50%].

I haven’t posted in a while, been trying to give Decent of Dragons time to breathe but as the seasons change, I feel its time for some fresh Shaman King Rhetoric. If you appreciate my perspective please support my posts with likes and comments.

~ :crown:ShamanKing #1511

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Lose =/= loose. Please, learn the difference.
Also, yes. It’s rigged.

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I design my decks to play on curve and have synergy. It should come as no surprise when, much to your amazement that I play on curve and have synergies. I mean, that is what I built the deck to do…

I do have a question though. If you are not building your decks to play on curve and have synergies, what exactly ARE you doing? (LOL?)

But yeah, the matchmaking is definitely rigged, of that there is absolutely no question, and no possible argument. Any one who says otherwise is ignorant.(definition of ignorant is not knowing, or not knowing better)

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Sooooo you have some how managed to figure out how to always make your 1 drops, 2 drops, 3 drops and 4 drops come out in succession? Right, and I’m the Mage King. :weary: STOP LYING! You KNOW what I’m talking about here! In games where you loose, how often are your opponents ripping off perfect mana curves!? Is what I’m askin’, I’m not even sayin its hard to design a deck that performs with “optimal mana cost synergies” I understand how to do that and of course that’s how I build my decks as well! What I’m more concerned with is playing several completely different decks in a row, and each of the decks out performing me in the mana curve department. Not just talking aggro either, some of the matches might even be mirrors where I’m drawing the top of my deck in the 1st 10 turns and they get to draw from their bottom. How “random” is it go up against decks pulling with heavy mana curve efficiency several times in a row while NOT getting similar draw efficiency at least half of the time?

For instance: the crazy aggro Hunter deck that’s going around. When playing with it, you’ll experience all types of draw orders. But when LOSING against it, it always seems to be unavoidably efficient.

Same with Zepherys, when playing with Zeph he comes out in all types of crazily inefficient ways but when LOSING to him its always perfect.

I don’t like that.

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Dude, can’t you read? Again, lose =/= loose. These words have totally different meaning, and you are using the wrong one.

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Every time. The game is pattern not random.

The best example use to be Hunter decks. Now its Galakrond Rogue.

Notice the same cards played over and over and over and over again turns 1 -10 or however long it takes for the game to end?

Shield of Galakrond at least once probably twice.
Zilliax going to drop turn 5 - 7.
Lackey up turns 3 - 7.
Backstab, Eviscerate and sap will all be there. Probably twice…
Togwaggle with Shadowstep coming right up!

You see the optimum top decking because its designed to hand out cards that way every game.

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Then how do you explain all of the incidents with no optimum topdecking?

So if I just add 30 random cards, with a mana curve the game will rig it so that I have a 50% ish win rate regardless of who I’m playing?

Having tried it myself, the answer is no.

Reality, however, holds little sway over those who are determined to find predetermined, man-engineered patterns.

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Of course there are time when it does not happen as I have designed it. That happens in card games. But in general, that was indeed the design of my deck. Don’t see why you are so surprised.

Though, still, I wonder, what is it exactly that you are doing? Do you not also design your decks around playing on curve and synergies?

Also, I feel the need to point out there is nothing in this world, perhaps in this universe, that is truly random, literally nothing. Meaning, you can spend a literal eternity, the combined pasts, presents and futures of every human ever born, alive right now and will ever be born, searching for true randomness and you will never find it. Never.

In fact, for your sanity’s sake, it might be a good idea to just stop using the word “random” entirely. Because the things you are associating with “random” are, in fact, not random at all. And that is especially true in Hearthstone and in Hearthstone’s various media.

I’ll refrain from calling you retarded, because I don’t KNOW if you are, but I would love to battle you. I think you are over-hyping the synergy of your deck[s]. I also think, you fancy yourself an excellent argument maker. Randomness Does exist in the universe son, just not in Hearthstone. Furthermore the randomness [or lack there of] I’m speaking to is the apparently intentional match fixing that seems to be employed to cap or limit streaking. I DO NOT believe the card generation algorithm nor the match making algorithm are static. I believe the algorithms are intentionally set to produce game states that are fixed and keep most players below a certain win percentage. This type of “randomness” is misleading when the idea most players have is that, with the right deck they can “beat” the meta game. I don’t have time to go in further detail on this post, I g2g but I will elaborate in a future post.

My gamer tag is ShamanKing #1511 if you want smoke.

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Can you back your hypothesis with some statistics?

You should refrain from that because you don’t know the difference between lose and loose.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :weary: fair. I’m not completly there myself.

=/= ≠ ≠
Learn the difference egghead :slight_smile:

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Every time. Its Patternsotne.

Right now I am up against Quest Druid.

Play Quest. Play Ferocious Quest done at turn 4. And You know the rest.

All decks per class play out the same every game.

Another great Example playing vs Warrior Galakrond

Play Town Criers get your Scion of Ruins
Play Your Ritual Choppers and Invoke
Play Your Maniacs and Invoke
Play your shield of Galakronds Invoke
Play Your Scions and BloodSworn to make copy of Scion
Play Your Zilliax on an Eternium Rover

You outlasted Aggro and Midrange now drop Galakrond. You had the card at turn 9 but now you can invoke with 5/2 weapon and do 11 damage a swing. And you can keep building on that uber mech to over 20 damage in a single turn.

Everything played out just the Yellow Brick road AI design planned it.

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You really have a chip on your shoulder. Why are you still playing the game?

There is room for “constructive venting” and discussions, but comments like this, and repeatedly I might add, only cause an emotionally driven mob mentality. It’s very toxic.

Try this; vent your frustration, then suggest something or attempt to open up a dialogue with other players.

Not all Highlander decks are created equal. Pally’s Highlander doesn’t hold a candle to rogue or hunters’. Even with the best mulligan and draw, it falls behind many other decks.

Again, some classes just have it all. Rogue, hunter, priest, and warrior all have had tier 1 decks through out the meta non-stop. Naturally, it seems, most ended up with great Highlander options too.

Paladin SHOULD have had a great Highlander option too, but the class just fell on its face most of this expansion.

So in the end, I could get on board with the problem if the Highlander decks all dominated all of the time, but they don’t.

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:man_facepalming:t6: EXACTLY!!! This is what I’m talking about, why do you LOSE to these decks in a remarkably similar way every time? Its like in order for some decks to beat you they HAVE TO produce a certain progression to work! THAT’S BOGUS!

Does anyone else see what I’m saying here? Notice the games you LOSE, when you DO LOSE to certain decks it like there’s only ONE WAY they beat you and its a very tight window of card successions. How they disguise this is by match you vs various classes so you don’t see this in back 2 back games as much.

I accept your challenge. You will find I have sent the request. Note: I play only on Americas. So if you are not on Americas, you are out of luck.

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