it uses current cost so it cant turn into iceblood tower
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ah, youâre right. So it turns into Grand Finale
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Iâm wondering whether there was a change to Whirlweaverâs activation condition at some point during final balancing because the wording of her conditional is weird.
If she followed the typical Elemental wording, it should be âIf you cast a spell last turnâŚâ rather than the present perfect âIf youâve cast a spell last turnâŚâ. See Marshspawn and Shattered Rumbler for an exact match, or any Elemental that cares about Elementals being played for the parallel âIf you played an Elemental last turnâŚâ.
Instead, she uses the present perfect which seems to mirror the Naga spell conditions âIf youâve cast a spell while holding thisâŚâ or If youâve cast three spells while holding thisâŚ".
Was she originally using the Naga condition âIf youâve cast a spell while holding thisâŚâ but was changed for some reason while only receiving a partial rewrite on her text?
If she had the Naga-style condition, it would both give a stronger flavor impact from both sides of her dual type classification and make her slightly stronger with a typically easier condition to meet.
Since it seems sheâs more of a 30th card than a staple, the slightly stronger and more flavorful Naga-style condition might have been nice to use for her battlecry.
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Isnât a mix of the two because sheâs a dual minion? So spell while holding + elemental last turn = spell last turn. ?
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I remember arguing with you about whether Grand Finale was good when it was revealed. I believe you said it was one of the strongest cards in the DMF set.
And now itâs an example of a bad random generation. Haha.
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But there are a couple of elementals that already care about casting spells last turn: Shamanâs Marshspawn and Shattered Rumbler.
Last turn is the Elemental thing.
Spells are the Naga thing.
So, yes, it could already be a mix, but generating an Elemental also seems like a nod to the Elemental side.
My main point was mostly that she seems to mix the Naga wording with the Elemental wording for no good reason at all, especially since the present perfect sounds a bit silly for an Elemental-style âlast turnâ condition. Mostly wondering whether thatâs an artifact of a small change to her in the balance process.
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lol you are rightâŚman that card looked good. What a disappointment.
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at least i havent seen any 9 mana rolls being announced so far
seems energy shaper will remain with front lines being the only bad roll for 7 mana spells and ill be able to keep playing scourge or rune for 7 mana!
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Until rotationâŚGonna lose Rune in about 2 monthsâŚthen theyâll rotate the really good stuff in.
Like Glacial Mysteries!
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Now Iâm wondering⌠if a spell is both a card from wild but also part of core, will it show up?
The core version doesnât count as a wild card (if you look at it in the in-game library, it shows up as part of core set and doesnât have the card graphic of a wild card)
From the in-game library, if I search for a card name, even when I select wild, the core version shows up. I have to specify the specific expansion for the wild version.
This could just be the card library, or would such logic also be present during a match, which could mean they could mess with the pool by changing whatâs in core next rotation.
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I would imagine they remove the duplicate. Iâm sure someone would complain that they played the spell and it gave them a copy of what they already have in their deck or could have gotten otherwise. Plus, that would take away from the fun of the card.
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I know Orion can or used to be able to cast core counterspell if the legacy version is triggered in wild. It seems like itâs a bug but itâs been happening for a while
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Theyâre being cute and combining tribe mechanics onto dual-tribe cards. The mech/dragon uses the dragon condition but it applies to mechs. I know âcast a spell last turnâ thing was a mechanic at one point (not really an elemental mechanic, just some elementals had it), but in this case itâs definitely meant to apply to the Naga half of the card.
Itâs just because Nagaâs class mechanic doesnât apply to Naga. The âcast a spell while holdingâ this has nothing to do with the Naga tribe, they just all happen to have it. Naga spells care about the Naga tribe (Gift of Azshara, Serpent Wig, etc. etc. etc.) but they printed so few of those and only a couple are good. Siren cared about it too I guess.
And theyâre not adding any more in this miniset. Itâs a shame, I was expecting more.
Though Naga will probably make a comeback at some point anyway.
Probably. The card exists in wild. But I think ultimately it could go either way.
WellâŚ
Letâs be serious about this miniset.
Arcane Bolt is really all mage needs anyway BUT:
We probably got a structure to stop running aggro decks as full freeze decks thanks to the new cards.
Itâs ant climatic but i can see myself running different flavor of aggro mage that will last over rotation thanks to new cards.
Actually, no.
That is literally what they announced as the signature mechanic for the Naga tribe.
From the original Sunken City announcement:
The Naga are a spell-focused minion type that tend to give bonuses for playing spells while the Naga are in your hand.
Source:
The vengeful Naga are Hearthstoneâs newest minion type. Naga are drawn to magic and tend to have stronger effects if you cast spells while they watch from your hand.
Source:
I know itâs their signature ability, Iâm saying their signature ability is not based on there being a Naga tribe. If they werenât labelled as âNagaâ the cards wouldnât change that much.
i.e. Dragonâs signature ability involves having dragons in your hand, Murlocs buff other Murlocs, Elementals care about whether you played an elemental last turn or not; Naga just need spells and donât care about what other Naga are.
Congratulations on totally missing the point.
Elementals care about whether something happened on your last turn.
Naga care about whether spells were played while they were in hand.
Whirlweaver seems to lean completely into the Elemental half of her type designation â she cares about last turn; she discovers an Elemental â and only slightly acknowledges her Naga affliliation in the fact that she cares about whether a spell was cast (which other Elementals already do).
But more importantly, she uses the grammatical construction that the Naga signature text uses, despite the fact that it makes no sense to use that tense for the Elemental condition she actually has.
Iâm simply wondering whether she was originally designed to have the Nagaâstyle text âIf youâve cast a spell while holding thisâŚâ instead of the Elementalâstyle text âIf you cast a spell last turnâŚâ
This seems like a reasonable query since her current text is a non-idiomatic mash up of the two options.
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I am not missing the point. She is combining the two mechanics by using the elemental-type âplayed a card last turnâ but caring about spells like a Naga. Thatâs it, the wording /tense is probably just an error.
I think that, because this is the same as the Mech/Dragon who has the dragon mechanic (have a type of minion in hand), but cares about mechs like a mech card.
So in short: I doubt it, I think theyâre just awkwardly combining the mechanics.
I wonder if thereâs one more dual tribe minion that does this.
Druid has Beasts & Naga maybe, or Naga & Undead or Undead & Beasts, Warlock has Demons & Undead potentially. But Beasts & Demons donât really have a mechanic and the undead mechanic doesnât translate well. Rogue has Pirates & Undead. But Pirates donât have a mechanic either, they mostly care about weapons.
Maybe Undead/Demon âIf a demon died since your last turnâ? Or an undead that cares about weapons.
They care about getting text boxes right more than you seem to believe.
Try watching some of the âSo You Think You Know Hearthstoneâ interviews that Rarran did with HS designers over the past year or so. The one with Celestalon is particularly good about showing how closely they think about the text boxes on cards:
Overall, they donât seem think about text in the ways that those who want them to be absolutely consistent want them to be, but they are very careful about what does go on cards.
If something really weird and non-idiomatic or non-logical shows up, something more probably was going on.
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I really, really think youâre drastically overthinking them combining two tribal effects on a dual-tribe card.