Is this you Mikey?
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Simic Nexus after 10 turns ><; lol
Oh relax. I was kind of kidding…maybe. And, I don’t think any CCG players would fall into the tough guy category so this isn’t an issue. Have you seen the pro ranks that play this game? These are guys that got picked dead last for kickball at school. That sort of thing. ![:wink:](https://dacy5cilkxabf.cloudfront.net/en/hearthstone/images/emoji/twitter/wink.png?v=6" ":wink:")
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Haha, true… true. 80% of the card shop is and the other 20% are the “almost athletes” who couldn’t quite make the cut with the more jockish guys (I fall in that 20%)
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Good idea right there. And it is the reason the forums are here really to make sure players have a way to voice their concerns about the game.
That’s subjective. To me, aggro decks are not fun to play against. I don’t see what is uninteractive about Big Priest.
Mikey,
There’s a reason they are all stuck. Every person that stops memeing and plays meta decks destroy them.
I win most Odd Rogue BP matchups with my second rate build, I can imagine 90% WR if I completed the Pirate package and had Loatheb.
When you get to 13, there’s a lot of Mage. When you get to 11, it’s almost all Mage. What crushes BP hardest, Mage. What crushes both BP and Mage, Odd Rogue.
Let me be clear, they should nerf Barnes and Resurrect for what those 2 cards do to the meta. In the meantime, you have to survive somehow. Stab them, burn them, or send the fish men to pummel their rears.
Lets pretend its not the beat deck in the game then. Even still its creating an infuriating unfun experience for everyone who faces it other than hyper aggro players.
So how has blizzards logic worked for them?
They have literally hit almost everything that has been very unfun and polarizing so far, why stop at big priest? Have they just stopped caring?
Then you look at standard with bomb warrior, and you wonder, when will they ever learn? That creating unfun decks to play against is whats hurting thier game.
They think its about wacky cool anything goes card design. But its not.
Magic learned this and has grown since.
And now they have standard which is amazing…why? Cuz its all aggro, midrange, tempo and control. Everyine feels like thier plays have meaning. And are having fun because they can win with skill, not matchup lottery And rng!
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The question is if they actually regularly make observation of what are discussed here.
I mean, it statistically is not the best deck in the game.
Want to talk about what happens when it goes away? Okay. What will probably happen if it goes away is that the ladder will probably be swarmed with stuff like Tank Up Warriors and Jade/Taunt Druids, and Cubelocks. They’ll be tech’ed for Aggro, because they don’t have to worry about that 12% of the ladder that is Big Priest and how frustrating the deck is to lose to, even though it’s only 12% of the ladder.
Know what comes after that? The OTKs, the Mecha’thuns, the Togwaggle Druids that are all being kept down atm by the meta of Aggro and Big Priests punching faces in. Wild ends up looking like Standard did for all of last year until something else takes the place of Big Priest. Only obvious candidate right now is Conjurer’s Calling Mage, but we all know that doesn’t have the refill of Big Priest so it’s probably going to get choked out by the Control.
Or at least, that’s my vague prediction of what trends the ladder would take, I might be wrong. Maybe Jade Druid gets good enough to take Big Priest’s place, maybe it’s Pogo Rogue. Any of this sound like an improvement to you?
Because that’s something you have to keep in mind when trying to balance things like Bomb Warrior; what’s going to take it’s place? What decks is it holding back? Will the meta get better if we change this one deck that’s statistically not broken, or will it get worse?
Two other decks:
Hourlock is another candidate as it can hit and lockout board clears
Most likely is the Vargoth version of Quest Mage which gives the Mage 2 turns instead of one. That’d me my bet for the new overlord of the meta personally
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I don’t foresee the overarching res Priest archetype, of which BP is only one variant, from suffering a major drop to its play rate throughout Ranks 25-10 even after a Barnes nerf, which is the most likely nerf right now.
There’s way too many other variants being played, many of which would continue to dominate control and midrange matchups after the introduction of Vargoth and Convincing Infiltrator in RoS.
I think the deck has appeal beyond its strength in the same way Mill Rogue does.
I don’t think 25-10 is the major concern of what the meta is like in Wild, I’m sure there are way too many decks to track.
Convincing Infiltrator does basically nothing against Control & Combo decks though, so a deck focused on that wouldn’t do much to prevent the Control/Combo meta I brought up. The role that’s served by Big Priest isn’t it’s survival there, it’s the pressure put on by slapping big dudes on the board early and keeping them coming. It’s a midrange deck with staying power.
Similarly, I don’t see Vargoth fixing that problem either; it’d be more likely to bring about another degenerate combo deck rather than some kind of rez Priest. I don’t think Barnes is even required for Big Priest to be effective, but then I’ve only been about as high as Rank 5 with my No Barnes list so maybe I’m wrong.
It’s not about Priest being fine in Wild, that’s a given. Until Blizzard fixes the core set, Priest will invariably climb into relevance. The role that Big Priest serves is the suppression of a glacial meta, because of it’s resilience against aoe tools, and something needs to fill that role or Wild will get way more degenerate than it is now, imo.
At those Ranks it’s already packed with Convincing Infiltrator builds.
All kinds of crazy builds. Feugen/Stalagg using Twilight’s Call (I have seen it multiple times in the past month), Quest, and Kel Thuzad are some popular ones that I remember…
At Ranks 15-13 where Mikey and Tyani play there’s more of these than meta BP decks. I am 99% sure their complaint extends to all these builds as well.
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Find mecathun lock and exodia mage do a good job at killing big priest.
Like many others, I’ve been playing Rexxar cosplayed as Valeera, meaning combo, for I think 5 years now. Not an expert, but have a lot of time / eval all new expansion cards for combo-not-aggro-beast, and not-DK-one-card-for-all hunter, nor mech-aggro, nor grizzly-recruit, nor spell-only.
Problem with Rexxar is and always will be they funnel our creativity down to beast-only draw.
It’s SUPER unfair.
Nobody wants to play just-beast hunter, it’s super 1-D, super-expected pre-cast.
Master’s Call is hunter, or TMS.
Neither of these are playable in 9-lives.
So yea you are not reliably drawing your plethora of 2-card clears / even have time vs an aggro deck.
Yea, rex has I think 4 now 2-card board clears, 3 for sure, and because Master’s Call is beast-only, it’s out of bounds unplayable. Tracking is also unplayable garbage because it deletes combos / your win cons.
9 lives, GREAT card, ruined by all-beast card draw or anti-combo card draw…because aggro-beast hunter governs the classes card design.
OP you also have to ask yourself, you aren’t cheating out Sylv, and if you same-turn that’s a whopping turn-7 snowball-hilltop. That means totally-dead vs any fast deck…which is the most-popular anti-big priest.
Yea, repeated sylv is very-strong v Big P.
So is mass-aoe.
But starting that process on T7 is just soo slow.
Watch that Ysaarj or Rag or LK just decimate you for 3 turns leading up to that…right? And that’s IF you draw your combos too, which Rexxar absolutely cannot non-beast, pro-combo card draw - it’s biggest problem.
IF Master’s Call said instead:
“Draw 3 minions from your deck, if 0-of-them are Beasts, draw them all”
Now THAT would be a creativity-encouraging Hunter card.
It’s like they made Master’s Call backwards, they supported meta-expected hunter instead of not-meta unexpected hunter. They must of thought everyone loves meta and expected decks and wants support for those decks. eww
Actually, that’s the combo:
Master’s Call, Barnes, Sylvanas, Y’Shaarj, 9 Lives, Play Dead. No other minions.
That way you hit Sylv with a high consistency on turn 4 (two coin flips with Barnes on 4).
Solem has a video of the deck, he thinks it works.
oh I see yea so he uses Masters to discover barnes hoping Sylv is still in the deck and not-drawn.
I used to masters for 1 all the time till ijust gave up on it, it’s a blank-turn-3, or any turn you do that, and it’s super hard to come back from.
It’s always a shame when a youtuber has to show an idea.
What I don’t like about this is already said…sylvannas could be in hand when you master’s call or drawn before. If that happens, gg right.
Plus, you aren’t winning anything aggro with a sylvannas deck.
The other massive problem with Mr Solem’s strat is well…think about it.
Solem is literally, exactly, trying to “big priest” Big Priest.
He is trying to cheat mana via-barnes…early.
Does that make Barnes Sylv PD any-better than Barnes Rag Res?
Barnes Ysaarj Sylv any better than Barnes Ysaarj Rag?
Both BP and “Masters for 1” Hunter use Barnes + Ysaarj.
That’s super…not different than the villain BP everyone is sick of.
No thanks, rather do something not-barnes related, something actually unique. All respect to Mr solem he seems super good, just the idea is def not creative…its barnes and ysaarj, everyone’s seen it before and it can brick.
Maybe you’re right. I’ve been as high as 11 this season with a shudderwock jade shaman deck that’s also probably considered cheesy. It’s just…when you see priest in wild it kicks off a subconscious “suck” feeling and you just click concede at this point. Even if I hex two guys… they just heal, remove, psychics scream, etc and eventually get the fatties out there which you can’t deal with.
I’d still like to see something done about the deck. It’s crystal clear that a lot of players simply hate it.
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The whole point of the thread is helping to kick priest’s rear.
If you don’t care to lose to Priest so you can maintain your homebrew integrity, no problem. But why the animosity when someone is trying to help you out?