Techs against Big Priest definitely exist, the question is how much you want the ones you run to interfere with your WR versus other decks. Neutral options like Saronite Taskmaster or even Mad Summoner are all recently printed cards that screw with BP’s gameplan.
Similarly, you’ve got cards like Nerubian Unraveler, Loatheb, Skulking Geist, etc that help against Quest Mage. Techs exist. The only question is whether you want to dilute your deck with them.
Of course, I’m not necessarily taking the side of either deck. Dedicated combo decks can certainly feel unfun to play against, and if they’re polarizing then you can make a very solid argument for nerfing them.
However, to do as you claim and say that either of them is “undefeatable” or that NO tech cards have been printed against them (especially in Wild where literally every card is available to be played and especially in a day and age where we have aggregate data that explicitly proves otherwise) is misleading at best.
If you want help with deckbuilding, I’m sure many of us would be more than willing to help you with your list or with gameplay. However, if you’re just here to complain then you should probably go somewhere and cool off before posting to the forums.
I wanted to make a druid deck to go with the new druid hero…but what i ended up with was a taunt druid that gets mauled and anihilated…by big priest…like every other deck i’ve played. i Dispise the deck. I do not feel the things you listed would work against shadow essence, vargoth and barnes.
Wild is amazingly unfun at the moment, and with hunterstone in standard…there doesn’t really appear to be a place to play fun decks in hearthstone. my win-lose for today is something like 2 wins and 23 losses…feels bad :\
Jade Druid has a notoriously terrible matchup versus Big Priest, so it comes to me as no suprise that you have difficulty. You built a slow non-meta deck in a class that can’t deal with large creatures, yet you’re actually surprised that you can’t win against Big Priest?
The techs I referenced interfere with Big Priest’s resurrection pool, making cards like Resurrect, Spellstone, and Mass Resurrection less impactful. Just because they don’t mess with specific cards that you care about doesn’t mean that they’re ineffective against the deck itself.
Rank 5 ceiling in both formats tends to be friendly towards homebrews. Alternatively, you can find friends who play the game and play versus them. Worst comes to worst, if the game isn’t enjoyable for you anymore then there’s no pressure for you to stay here. Take a break from HS to find other games you enjoy more.
I just want to play decks that are fun and have at least a slight chance of winning. I haven’t found a single deck that can reliably beat big priest. Likewise…i think just straight up conceding works better. And it takes AGES to get to rank 5 and i’m not even sure i’m skilled enough to come even close.
In regards to the last section, can’t say that i know of any fun games. i usually stick to blizzard games and hoi4. But sadly, nobody MP’s the latter and blizzard games are really frustrating…It’s been ages since i’ve found a game i really enjoyed. Ofcourse it’s currently the worst of the 4 seasons so that might also add to the frustration
According to Bowser, Casual in Wild tends to have a lot of random decks in Wild so maybe try there
Yeah Druid and killing Big Priest is essentially in the realm of Aggro Token Druid and even then… there are better choices than Druid to do that job ><;
It’s fine to play fun decks, but if they are bad then they are just bad.
You probably like playing similar decks that all have a weakness to big priest, which makes it seem like they are unbeatable. Play something other than grindy, value oriented decks and it will be different.
We have two problems.
You like playing fun decks (me too).
You don’t like losing to big priest (me too).
So you should play a deck that achieves both, which there are plenty.
Big Priest is a strange deck, as it almost automatically beats anything that is not specifically a counter to it. Luckily, the entire aggro archetype is considered a counter, so at least there’s variety there, but if you’re a control deck aimed at outvaluing or outlasting, forget it - there’s no building bigger than a Big Priest, you’d need an OTK-type win condition.
Aggro or aggressive mid-range works. If they can’t use a Shadow Word: Horror (or don’t run it), and Life Lash is buried too deep or can’t kill the board, they’re wide open against things like Token Druid, Odd Pally, Mech Hunter, Tempo Rogue, and others.
that’s a lot of IF’s. Also, i dispise the aggro archetype
I wanted to link to a match i played but alas the censorship of the forums does not allow for links to be posted.
i had to resort to a mill druid…alas…News flash, Combo decks…Still unfun and uninteractive. Who would’ve guessed. The replay is of a match against a solitaire-rogue. Currently chain-conceding at rank 15. with a 90% loserate against priest, i feel like Autoconceding against them is the ONLY option that works. Likewise, i always autoconcede against oddpaladin. It’s just not worth the effort.
Is that so? I would expect at least blizzard emploees to realise that the wr of a deck the entire meta shifts around doesn’t say much about it’s real power but they never fail to disapoint, I guess.
"not fun to play against " those words have been said about control mid range and aggro too … they cant listen to all of you because we wouldnt have a game
However you purposely sabotage your chances to climb the ladder by playing meme decks and then complain about a meta deck being tough to beat.
Ranks 15-14 most popular decks seem to be BP and Mill Rogue. The Mill Rogue swaps over to Quest Mage at Rank 13. Continue playing decks vulnerable to the meta and you will be very frustrated.
Furthermore at Ranks 15-13 every meme deck is one with awful early game but amazing late game, you are just adding to that rather than countering it. Because there’s a lot of people thinking exactly like you.
If you don’t want to play aggro, play Even Warlock. But be smart about it. If everyone else’s late game is better than Even Warlock’s best potential late game, don’t bother with Gul’dan, play Zihi and add as many big threats as possible.
Wait, what? I dont play casual. The scrub ranks in wild (sub-15) is where the deck diversity is. Sure, there are some netdecks in there, and you will occasionally face 3x BP’s in a row, but for the most part its lots of janky crap in my experience. Just dont complain if you lose to things like Genn/C’thun Druid (patent pending) 'cos you got your wish.
If you want a deck purely to beat BP, try this one. It seems to do pretty well vs. 'em, but there is far from adequate data on it yet to say if its as good as early signs suggest:
Snip the Tog
Class: Warlock
Format: Wild
Year of the Dragon
One way to counter (if you solely want to build a deck to counter them and nothing else) is to put cards in your deck that create tokens for the opponent in order to make their resurrect pool have poor quality.
There are many minions that do this including Flight master, Mad summoner. Hungry ettin, marsh drake (questionable bc you are giving him a poison minion but hey beats a lich king) and tanglefur mystic which are neutral and common or rare. There are some legendary cards that also help like Tinkmaster overspark and getting a sheep potion with kazakas.
There are class cards that have transform effects like polymorph for mage and hex for shaman and warrior for example has cornered sentry.
I generally concede and move on, not worth sticking around when I play wild.
This highlights the problem with the deck perfectly. You would need to include at least 6-8 of those tech cards for consistency (strongest res effects are unique minions only). Thats a whole heap of tech to “counter” one deck!
Give me a 2M 3/4 that summons 3 random (1) cost minions for my opponent, then we are talking BP tech!
What does work is the new Spell Hunter with Sylvanas and 2x Play Dead, 2x 9 Lives.
I played a Kathrena Hunter with Sylvanas and wound up with 4 Vargoths and 5 copies of Sylvanas on my hand, they wound up with a 1 dead Vargoth and 4 dead Barnes. At that point they conceded…
Spell Hunter is better than Kathrena since it’s more consistent at getting an early Sylvanas.
‘Nine Lives Hunter’ is really fun deck. Still a lot of refinement to go on it, it feels like to me but probably my favorite new base archetype idea I’ve been messing with.
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