For me it seems to be everytime i make a new deck it´s just hardcounters for the first 10games and then it evens out towards 30.
but they already got caught rigging the matchmaker in Call of Duty to “force” new players to buy stuff it even made the news, yet you guys believe they wouldn’t use the same method in hearthstone?
both game run by the same company, conspiracy theory lmao, you guys are dumb asf
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That’s news to me. Could you please provide a link?
Edit: I looked into this, and it seems the source isn’t entirely reliable. The article even states to take these claims with a grain of salt.
on top of that it would be completely illogical from a companies standpoint to not rig the matchmaker when it makes them money, use your brain sometimes
“conspiracy theory”
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No need to be hostile.
Here’s the counter-argument to your claim that rigging the game would make them money: If this news were to be leaked, that the game is rigged in the way folks propose, the game would almost certainly die off. This in fact would cost Activision-Blizzard money.
Is it worth the risk for them? I doubt it.
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that wasnt meant to be hostile, i just want you to think about it for a second and question it, would it benefit them? and the answear is a clear yes
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Well, you’re being presumptuous. You’re claiming that because this particular company’s motive is to make money, that therefore, they’re rigging the system, because that would make them more money. This is an assumption. You don’t know that it would in fact lead to more pack sales. You also don’t know if they’d take the risk of exploiting the system in this way. If this news were to be leaked, by a reliable individual(s), the whole house of cards falls down. In short, it might not be worth it to rig the system.
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Asking people to use your brain when you’re even using a Razor is a feat and a half
Has been a day. Anything change?
Why are you so sure it would make them money?
It’s so obvious that there is something fishy with the RNG in this game. Whenever I queue into a bad player, e.g., someone who makes bad trades or plays cards in an suboptimal order, I already know that they will have favorable ‘luck’, as if the game tries to compensate the skill difference. They will always topdeck the perfect card, win every coin flip, and highroll every random event, like immediately finding Mankriks wife. There is absolutely nothing I can do in these rigged matches. It’s just frustating…
A short anecdote regarding the rigged matchmaking algorithm:
I got the ‘Play 3 matches as Mage’ quest. Because I didn’t have a Mage deck, I decided to make a wild deck using the autocomplete feature. My deck was some weird fire Mage deck (without the quest). At least, it contained an Ice Block that should help me survive a little bit longer. My first match was versus a player that was apparently new to the game, he used one of these decks that probably al of us played when we started, i.e., a bunch of vanilla minions and a few spells. To make a long story short, I was hiding behind my Ice Block and my opponent played an Eater of Secrets. There is no way, someone plays a vanilla deck, but runs Eater of Secrets as only tech card.
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No offense, I like you, you’re smart and insightful, BUT…
Why do you not understand the concept of money and business?
If you pi$s off your customers, they will stop buying your product.
You may say, well, rigging matches will anger the customers!
To a point, but, it also allows more fair matches (hypothetically).
Again, forget about the details, we can and have gone back and forth.
To deny a company wouldn’t care about money is really really short sighted.
Forget about HS. You know about AI’s and algorithms, right?
EVERYONE is using them! My GF is running an AI on some silly website she created, and she’s an amateur.
You don’t think BLIZZARD is running SOMETHING that would help them make money? SERIOUSLY?
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Of course they “rig” matches to make them fair. That’s the point of having a matchmaker and a ladder.
But what’s being alleged here is not that, but rather that Blizzard is unfairly depriving them out of what in their minds are justly-deserved wins.
Even if, and I stress if, you suppose that to be true, why would it make them money? Games are zero-sum. If pissing someone off by making them lose unfairly makes money (and nobody has yet explained why it would make money), any possible effect it could have is directly counteracted by the opponent’s experience.
Blizzard doesn’t care who wins any game that is played. They only that the games are played. There’s a logical fallacy that companies that make money at the exclusion of all other considerations are evil, and so therefore that all actions that are evil must make money.
The simple truth is that this is all a response to the brutal, cold reality that the whiners aren’t actually as good as they think they should be, so they reach out to blame something, anything, that could explain it that doesn’t require them to face that reality.
I guess the historical theory is to trigger someone who loses to purchase more packs, to get a better deck.
How many times do you have to lose AS a Warlock, playing a non quest deck because you don’t have the quest, before you spend your dust/money to craft the quest?
The Warlock Quest is one of the hottest cards in the game.
If my favorite class is Warlock, I may just buy one of the bundles in hopes of getting the quest or enough dust to craft it.
Why do you think deck costs are provided on deck building sites?
Dust = $
$ = $
Time = $ (for F2p)
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But it’s not merely that you see something strong and you want to be strong. The accusation is that they’re cheating you under the theory that you’re winning “too much.” Why would being cheated make you spend money?
There is also no explanation as to why if you’re winning “too much” they aren’t causing the same problem for your opponent that they’re allegedly trying to solve for you by making them win.
I don’t subscribe to the so called “nefarious” aspect of the “rigging” no more than do I get mad at Walmart for charging me 300 bucks for a gas grill I know they paid 50 bucks from China for.
I expect it.
Not mad.
But I know its happening because that’s what I would do and it’s what has been going on for 100 years.
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Then you’re not actually talking about what the conspiracy whiners are talking about.
Matchmaking systems are fine.
No, I’m not totally on board with them. I see where they are coming from though. I see where you’re coming from.
I’m trying to find the middle because I believe “something” more than the data that’s been stated for MMR is in play.
I think the game DOES know your deck, your tech cards, your class, your win streaks vs. certain classes and adjusts occasionally accordingly.
I don’t think the draw is rigged, (or the top deck) I don’t think the mulligan is rigged.
And the people who designed that system explicitly, clearly, and comprehensively stated that it does not.
So either you’re accusing them of lying about cheating you so that you feel bad, or your judgment about what you’re observing is wrong. And since there are numerous data aggregation sites with the information, skills, and drive to find what would be the biggest scoop for a third party site in Hearthstone’s history who have found precisely zero evidence of manipulation, I’m leaning toward your judgment being what’s wrong. Especially since the conspiracists never put forth anything testable, and just accuse people of being shills for asking them for actual evidence.
I like to switch decks a lot. I get bored playing the same deck over and over. What happens to me on a daily basis is after switching a deck, I get matched next game with the deck I just stopped playing. It is a trend for me personally beyond random, HS thinks you just played priest, you next match will be against a similar style priest.
Over and over. It does seem very fishy.
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