I have my reasons for this. I can make a decent deck that adds up on my own but I keep hitting a brick wall(s) when it comes to making it work 90% of the time.
You’re looking for a deck that can successfully beat aggro, burn, and control decks? That’s gonna be difficult.
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For once I want to know I can beat the most unfair decks without being a Saudi Prince, an ultra rich dude, or a kid with too much access to they’re parents credit card.
I mentioned on a previous topic about debating dusting a golden Onyxia, personally I don’t want to but the temptation the thought of getting closer to make said deck is almost worth the dust.
Probably would be a combination of spell power + small spell budget mage. That’s something to look for keyword wise. Mage is one of the classes I don’t play in standard (just wild), but I see that deck often enough
It doesn’t seem expensive to make. Has a legendary Chenvaala that you could do without. Nor do you absolutely need evocation
Terrisscrub…Chenvaala is a trap for that sort of deck…very vulnerable to turn 5 board clears…the cheap spells dont generate much value outside triggering effects…and if said effect is easily dealth with then its as if the effect never occured and the player end up with spells that wont do too much…so he def should do without Chenvaala…maybe in the futur if a combination like this become a thing— >Chenvaala— >spell that copy a sorcerer apprentice---- >1 mana cost spell “fireworks” does nothing…echoes(limit of 6)…cant use any other spells b4 or after using this spell…that way it cant be abuse with flamewaker
The old n’zoth will be enough, put the last sighs of quality, and copy it several times.
What you’re looking for is a warrior deck, not a mage deck. Big vomit warrior or w/e that deck is called with some minor alterations should be able to do what you are trying to do against DH and hunter, but will most likely fail against a control priest deck. I’m talking about standard though. If its wild, just pick one of the many broken decks and go with it. You could try bomb warrior as well, it performs well against DH and hunter if you build it right, but its pretty much an auto loss against rez priest.
Chenvaala is how you consistenly win against both priest and DH with small spells mage, you need to push as much tempo as possible early on before they comfortably can set up their gameplan. if they have drawn the removal then you just got unlucky, if they kept the removal in mulligan then they are just bad.
Pev: i dont think your deep into ranking if you rly think that…at least not wild…in standard maybe if mass hysteria and shadow word ruins cant be run together
DH case you’d be dead b4 doing that Chenvaala setup if you dont hard control them
honestly its like saying you survive a druid dropping 3 3/4 minions on turn 2 by holding up on your spells…DH may not be as explosive but thats not a deck you can save up untill turn 5 for that combo
other than that…no good player would mulligan an aoe removal but they will all have a set up rdy for turn 5…if anything that combo would work in low league such as silver or gold at most…maybe platinum rarely…diamond to legend just no
The OP was meaning standard I believe (the general assumption is someone means standard unless they specifically say wild). I watch a good amount of streams at legend and Chenvaala is very popular there (in standard) in small spell + mana cyclone mage
Small spell mage seems to do well against anything where it has targets to use spells on. So it should do fairly well against aggressive and minion-centric decks and not as well vs control decks
yeah, my bad. top 1000 is nowhere good enough in this forum 
Mass Hysteria is not a Standard-legal card anymore.
At least for Soul DH in Standard, their big damage plays don’t really come online any sooner than turn 5 anyway (Marrowslicer on 4 + Glaivebound Adept/Soulshard Lapidary), so you might be able to hold off until then.
That’s part of the reason why Mage struggles against Soul DH. DH doesn’t really rely on minion damage the way Aggro DH does, but it relies almost entirely on direct face damage (either battlecries or weapons).
Pev: i’am at 800 something…got up to Legend 751 then dropped back around 860 last day i played…my own comp is currently going under repair atm…cant check exact number atm…at the very least not viable in wild…in standard case i do have to wonder since i’am not playing standard but pretty certain i’am not mistaken that pulling it off in standard not likely to work either…also i dont exactly have a way to check your ranking XD(dunno if there a site showing every players ranking)…but ya i was going with what i would expect in WILD…for standard it was mostly a shot guessing since i dont memorize every card available there and i dont play standard but i cant imagine it being much different from Wild…does Standard mage open up with maybe an aggressive board to ensure no minions from the DH get to hit those 5/5 from Chenvaala ?
either a Chaos Nova(if the DH slightly tweaked the net deck)…or that spell dealing dmg to 3 random enemy minions equal to the DH attack…well i’d be curious as how you pull a turn 5 with chenvaala stuff not getting cleared
Madmax: thx for hysteria info…wasn’t entirely sure about it…so maybe he’s right about being to pull it off on priests in standard with bits of luck that the priest dont find shadow word ruins(likely run X2 unless i’am wrong and the meta in standard dont roll 2 of these)
Priests in Standard don’t run SW: Ruin at all, outside of (maybe) some Highlander lists.
As someone else mentioned, in standard the stronger soul DH deck doesn’t run many early game minions. It uses removal such as the 3dmg minion aoe and it’s ghetto blade flurry (blade dance I believe it’s called), to control the early game. It does most of its damage via buffed weapons
So while there is the threat of blade dance to clear chenvaala, there is NOT the threat of early game DH minions to it. Blade dance requires multiple cards all ready and in hand in the early game. So never a guarantee, and if the DH doesn’t have it, he’s going to be in serious trouble if chenvaala comes out
Also, Diamond and Legend are what, like less than 10% of hearthstone’s playerbase? That means that any meta specifically for diamond or legend has about a 90% chance to completely not apply to the original poster’s in game perspective, unless they specifically ask for something for that specific MMR
I run aggro version of DH, which struggles a lot with small spell mana cyclone mage. My guardian animals druid has about a 70% winrate vs it though. I just ramp and the mage lacks minions to use spells on, by the time I ramp out the big 5-6 cost minions, all the mage can do is freeze them a few turns to slow his inevitable death. He has to pray to the RNG gods to get some good spell discovers to win. The only time I am in trouble, is if the mage gets an early game chenvaala combo going…
ic…so very different from Wild…Legend is actually less than 2%(not counting ppl that destroyed their mmr to cheese reach it(example:legend 15000)…like they get 100 lost on purpose at start of month then climb it…non-cheeser are 3500 or better…Diamond 2-5 is like 10-12% of the players(some hs data i accidently fell on when researching something else about heartstone)
Hey Squallken -
This whole thread is far above my paygrade…I’m not even legendary but I have 1 thought and 1 question. My first thought, is that Chenvaala is only 1 legendary. Whether it works well or not, you may not find it, especially if you are trying to make an aggro deck killer that has, what maybe 6 turns to gain serious control.
My question is about the post above. If you are so concerned about not spending like a “Saudi Prince” then why craft a golden Onyxia? Just go with the regular and save some dust?
Fyrfly: he didn’t craft it…he found it in a pack he opent
Just because they own a golden Onyxia it doesn’t mean they crafted it. They might have gotten it out of a pack.
My bad… He meant destroying a golden Onyxia for dust… I clearly thought he meant using dust to make a golden Legend.