And the truth is basically your point of view. It’s you who compare HS to LoR as the same thing and desire a full collection in the first place. But yeah, CCGs are meant to played with limited collections, and LoR has its own way to be. After one year, I will be surprised if LoR is any closer to being favored more than HS.
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Have you actually played lor? from your wording it doesn’t really seem that way. In addition, you’re pulling a lot of stuff nobody said from nowhere and it’s weird. What point are you making? That HS is better than LoR? That’s a funny joke
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You said Blizzard needs to wake up and start to be generous. The fact these two games are very different cannot change. You can say a bowl of pasta and bread are both food, but what type. The same goes for CCG. And LoR actually need specific champions in decks for some of the decks to work and that’s why you have wild cards, in HS it’s a very different story. And yeah I do not believe Blizzard should start freeing up cards and just monetize cosmetics, you know how MTG duel failed and they should not offer wildcards either, since the logic about HS is much different, lots of meme decks exist and RNG machine exist. In LoR it’s different, you have the cards, get your wanted cards, and aim for the skill and collection goal.
Yes, it is, at least until now.
You can say that LoR has better potential and might overtake HS in the next 5-10 years. But at the moment, HS is miles ahead of LoR regarding content, quality and balance. LoR is just to young to be put in any comparison with the king of digital CCG.
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I see lots of comments about how fr2p Lor is…
Just do all dailies for 6 months straight and you got all 200 cards?
How is it different from Hs then?
I do dailies in HS every two days, have got all three adventures with gold only, bought a tavern pass on release with gold.
Haven’t payed a dime to HS, yet I have HL mage, spell druid, warrior deck, rogue deck, priest deck.
And I don’t even do 100 g grind a day.
I am sitting at 2700 gold currently.
I bought 20 packs with gols total this expansion. Yet I still can play high budget competitive decks like Highlanders.
Just paid shilling at this point from you lot.
Lor just started and it has a lot of catch up to do regarding market presence as DCG.
I enjoy hearthstone art a lot more as well. UI is just better.
Rito knows how to sell games.
F2P grind fest for heroes in LoL or just buy with money.
Yeah its free, i remember when I played at season one and two and got disgusted at runes.
Free cards at release of new DCG, which has to compete with a top dog.
Which new DCG didn’t market itself like that to survive?
Remember artifact?
You say lor is cheaper, just grind.
You can grind full expansion collection in HS as well. There are videos of it explaining how.
Easy to ignore huh.
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I’d never say no if Blizz wants to be more generous, especially since I missed the last twitch drop again. Saw it on the hearthpwn forum a few hours too late.
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5 months.
You have to be trolling here.
Yep, trolling. “high budget decks like highlanders” don’t make me laugh
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He is trolling. But you cannot deny the fact LoR isn’t any better than HS for now.
Yes I can. I have. Actually, I’ve written an entire post about it. It’s 188 posts up. Turns out having a much better F2P experience compared to Hearthstones P2P experience.
I’ve played both. A lot by now. I’ve been playing Hearthstone for 4-5 years and I’m pretty much doing better in LoR already from only 2-3 months.
LoR is a much friendlier experience with much more balance. Period.
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Yeah see. Different people have different needs. You mark the good standard of CCG as:
-balanced
-easy collection, 20 minutes a day for a few months
-better have want you wanted, not random packs and RNG
-skill is the importance
-much more of what YOU want
And many people even don’t like the mechanics of LoR and want insane RNG panic button like Yogg Box and want their turn to be theirs.
It is better for you and satisfies you, but take a look at LoR official Reddit. I just saw “Trash game trash champions”, “I hate xx nerf it” and pretty much the same thing as here. Better acknowledge LoR is not the always better.
You don’t earn a full collection in 2 months in LOR unless you bot XP with 2 accounts pitted against each other 24/7.
I don’t have anywhere near half a collection after 4 weeks of gameplay. Additionally LOR appears that it will add 20 more cards in the next expansion than the last one, 40 extra more in the next one, and 60 extra more in the one after that. That’s because LOR released with only 6 of the 10 planned regions and each expansion is adding cards to all existing regions as well as catching up the new region to the same card total as the original 6. No non boting new player will be getting a full collection F2P anymore as the collection dramatically increases in numbers.
LOR is better than HS and MTG from the perspective of a person who can’t stand the existence of straight up meme cards, which it appears Cyclick is.
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No, actually F2P four months 4/6 would work, but like… yeah. F2P LoR is not the best experience I had. In HS you get a month to do your job, while in LoR you miss a week of computer you miss tons of rewards you could’ve had if given more time.
You do know xp drops off after a certain number of wins, right? You bring botting up but the game doesn’t work like that. You earn the vast, vast majority of XP from your first 10 wins or less. If you’re lazy like me, 2. Just 2 wins. You won’t earn a mostly fully collection before the 2ish month mark. It’s just that via vault you’ll consistently gain a ton of cards for free which eventually accumulate. You need to put time into it but eventually it pays off.
Untrue. And wow, you should just stop talking about botting so you actually know what you’re talking about. To bot, you must play against a FRIEND. You stop gaining xp against friends once both of you won 5 times.
I’d need you to source the claim of adding exponentially more cards. Furthmore, if that is true, it isn’t a big deal, because you will still never drown in the amount of cards needed over the period such as Hearthstone (since you gain cards at such a pitifully slow rate) because if you play the MEASLY amount to get Vault 13, you’ll eventually just be getting a assive amount of shards eawch week, which you can use to craft cards if you really need to own the entire collection.
Pursuit of Purrfection says hi. Nobody said ANYTHING amount not liking meme cards. That isn’t why I switched to play this game instead and you’re doing a disservice by spouting the lie that I did. If you’re reaching that hard to get an argument, there’s no reason to even argue anymore.
Much, much better than HS. That’s an unarguable point.
This is a moronic point. If you miss a week of Hearthstone you’re hurt much more than in LoR because you missed a ton of quests. It seems like you’re trying to make it sounds like… you can get behind on the vault?? Yes, OBVIOUSLY if you miss time in any game you “miss tons of rewards” but you can still get them the week after just like how you can in Hearthstone.
I once again ask what the hell you guys are even debating me on? I’m not saying LoR is perfect. I’m saying their experience is genuinely and inarguably better than Hearthstones. You don’t have to like it and there are valid arguments against me but instead you choose bad points. People have done it in this thread. I don’t get it.
(Also defending Hearthstone isn’t a hill you want to die on.)
Aggro in LoR you only get 20 life so you dead pretty fast. Its as bad as hearthstone.
That’s a really poor point. Hearthstone Aggro =/= LoR aggro. You sound like you’re saying Hearthstone aggro decks EXIST in a LoR space which is just untrue. You die about as quickly as you would in Hearthstone (with 10 less health because the cards are built around that 20 health total). For example, Fireball doesn’t exist in LoR. Never could, as it does too much damage for too little cost. And Mage isn’t even an aggro class. The game is tweaked around its cards well.
Instead, there exists tons of counterplay for aggro and burn aggro is barely an S tier deck as it has been properly nerfed and two tempo decks do better than it.
If you came to LoR expecting aggro to not exist, I’m sorry but you’re sorely and stupidly mistaken.
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You keep whining about Hearthstone meme cards, and now you want to flip it around and say it’s OK when it’s LOR meme cards? This is what I keep harping on you for.
The way you bot is by doing tie games, rather than wins or loses.
How do I know the expansion structure of LOR? Easy, I watched their poorly produced 2020 roadmap video. Then I extrapolated from the first major expansion what their structure for the next 3 major expansions will be (I shouldn’t have needed to extrapolate, but their roadmap didn’t clarify it).
What I don’t know is the structure of the 4 minor expansions every year, and how they will catch up the 9th and 10th regions after the first 8 regions get more cards from the minor expansions.
You’re moving the goalpost. You literally just said LoR doesn’t HAVE meme cards. I proved you wrong and now I don’t like them??? lol, literally what are you talking about
pretty sure ties end with whoever destroys nexus first, whoever destroys it first wins, even if it’s in the same turn. Never tied. Also, nobody bots lol
I really don’t care if it isn’t official. What I said after still stands.
Both nexuses destroy simultaneously and tie the game if both players go AFK and fatigue at the same time. I have seen the tie screen. For someone who claims to want to school me in LOR, why don’t you know that?
There’s guides on how to do it. So obviously people are doing it.
How is your point on new players ability to get a full collection supposed to remain standing if you didn’t take into account having 50% more cards to obtain? Easy you don’t care about reality, just defending your team (why is it that you have decided to emotionally attach yourself in this manner is beyond me).
I am not trolling. I have the cards and the decks.
All I see is " HS costs a lot ,blizzard too greedy even tavern pass behind money" whiny thread
Well guess what ,those people whining that way want everything free because they play the game for less than 2 hours a week.
I do my dailies ,play some standard games and bg’s here and there yet I still have 5-6 competitive decks ,tavern pass from beginning and all adventures from last year that required gold.
P2P experience ?!?
- I am saying , I haven’t payed a dime on HS yet I still have high-budget competitive decks like HL Mage. I started playing seriously during Boomsday expansion - started HS at start until GVG then never touched the game.
So around a year and something of playtime and while working a 9 to 6 and hearthstone as a side game.
I have all cards from Uldum except Anka ,and from Dod i have like 7? Yet adventure is easy way to make powerful decks.
“But if you are playing so little ,you can’t have such a big Uldum collection”.
I played 110 arenas in Uldum. One arena run is around 1 hour. During weekends I played maybe 3 runs each day? And that’s it. Do I have to explain to you more?
I averaged 5.5 wins. Which is infinity with daily quest.
And my goal in HS isn’t to have every expansion collection at all. I dislike playing agro classes like Hunter and DH.
In fact , I haven’t crafted a single hunter or demon hunter card.
I play moderately ,a bit above average from the casual players and comparing to LoR where being consistent is key to collection ,how is what I achieved any different in what is possible in LoR ?
Period ,right? To that @Cyclick dude
You’re back with claiming things I didn’t say. But if you think I am doing that, alright, lol.
I’m sorry I didn’t know a very niche part of a game which most, if any players do.
Still easier than Hearthstone.
Refer to the top of the post.
If you want to grasp at strawman arguments all day; fine. You aren’t getting anywhere with your argument. When a new region is released, players can use shards to gain the cards, in addition to running down the region just as you would for any other. Players can still gain a massive majority ofcards via these regions and leveling them to 25. If it is TRUE that they’d add more cards, the common/rare ones don’t matter, epics do a little, and likely only one more champion you can easily get with shards.
I’ve only gone thhrough 2 regions and have a massive excess of shards, to the point where I made everything from Tempo Sej I was missing. Including the six champions I needed.
And if the player ever finds they are behind on really WANTING every card? Then they can buy wildcards and fill in the blanks.
Still less expensive than Hearthstone. Always.