Doesn’t matter. The stats say you’re wrong, and they say it loud. Stop being Altair.
We don’t need YOU 99% of the time.
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I hit Legend with my version of BSM, which has Kalecgos in the deck. I am quite fond of the card.
At this point, having done so much experimentation with BSM, I would not be surprised if I have played more variations of BSM than anyone else in the Perils meta, and many versions are capable of taking a player to Legend. Which version is best depends on what you are facing. I ran over a half dozen different versions in the D5 to D2 range, which had a similar win rate to one another.
Since less than ten percent of my matches are against Aggro, I do not run Heatwave, but I do run a lot of 2 drops and 2x Star Power, so when I do run into Aggro, I may still be at a disadvantage, but I do have chances to win.
The version that I am currently running is generally favored against Warrior, Rogue, DK, Priest, Paladin, Shaman, Druid (Reno Druid is a struggle), and Hunter. Unfavorable match ups are against DH, Warlock, and aggressive aggro.
The version that TheDuke posted may better in the mirror match, because it will get off a combo more reliably in early-mid game, and it runs 2x Neophyte to disrupt an opponent’s early King Tide or other important spell turns, but it will lose more to some other classes.
BSM is very versatile as to what cards it can run besides the key big spell package cards.
I started playing a BSM deck on a 2nd server, which has one Sea Shill it it, which let me bring Kalecgos out early in my last mirror match:
https://imgur.com/a/nnuZoz1
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People don’t really understand that a card has to do more than have 50% winrate to be a buildaround.
So when they see status on surfalopod they not understand the issue.
This is funny because Smeet and I were talking about this last night. Smeet is somewhere in the 200 legend rank and facing streamers who were commenting on his deck and then the discord was picking the deck up and commenting about how strong it was. It was gaining traction.
Smeet said he was hoping it would at least start appearing as a blip on the VS radar. I told him it’s unlikely until many more people pick it up because in order to appear on the radar, it needs to be SEEN, not PLAYED, by a good 500+ people who are running the tracker.
He said he believes it would be enough to even convince YOU that it was a better version.
And I told him it wouldn’t matter anyway if it was a blip on the radar and that you would reject it. The only way you would accept it is if it was a major blip, but it isn’t a major blip because people are still playing the more common version that is obviously worse to anyone who has played both versions. And since you don’t play the game, here we are.
I’m not being Altair. I’m telling you there aren’t enough stats or people playing the deck to show it in stats as the superior deck version, but that it is the superior version from playing it and more people should be looking into it.
It’s as if meta-breaker decks to you cannot and do not exist. It’s as if deck variations that are better cannot pop up. They can and they do, and this is one of them.
Star Power is such a strong card that BSM players not running it are doing themselves a disfavor and they are doing it because they are trying to maximize greed and value out of Surfalopod and Under the Sea. Furthermore, the decklist runs Salesman and you can’t even use the trade option from it. The deck literally hinders itself. Surfalopod has a lot of downsides that aren’t properly being taken into account. It’s a do nothing the turn it is played card in hopes for value that might not come for several turns. The alternative list doesn’t have this issue.
Look at the top deck. Notice something missing in that BSM list? lol
well under the sea is garbage
the 3rd deck has surflapod though
Yes, a Surfalopod isn’t going to destroy the deck because BSM core is strong. The point is that building a deck WITHOUT it is actually better. You can see they already cut Under the Sea. They’re getting closer.
RN i kinda Hope the deck gets nerf as soon as possible so atleast they don’t account for a better version.
Top deck in 1k legend is now a mage deck without Surfalopod or under the sea, and uses star power and orb…
Which I’ve been telling people to do for a month now.
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He’ll never admit to being wrong because it would mean I was right.
He admittedly doesn’t like that lol
It is more lack of being able to grasp even the concept.
The only people who understand that are either people who did already see it or did try the deck before the miniset.
Cheating a bad card is still worse than cheat a good card but not necessarilly a bad play.
And coins are doing exactly that. Cheating surfalopod earlier.
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Surfalopod is the second best card in the deck, only behind Skyla. It is a better card than King Tide. If you’re not running Surfalopod, you’re wrong. Period.
Now, the evidence for Under the Sea is far less convincing. By far the best “Surfalopod follow-up” is Watercolor Artist, not UtS. Maybe not the best on the turn right after a Surfalopod, but as a general purpose card that you were going to run anyway. UtS doesn’t have good stats; Watercolor Artist does. Maybe this is because Miracle Salesman, maybe not.
I feel like what y’all are doing is you’re strawmanning Surfalopod. You’re assuming that it carries with it a hard deckbuilding restriction against Star Power, when it really doesn’t. A Surfalopod into a free Star Power probably isn’t the end of the world; it might suck if your opponent has no board, but if they have no board, aren’t you already in a good spot?
I will continue to solidly maintain that cutting Surfalopod is objectively wrong. This is a position strongly supported by the evidence. But this position should not be interpreted as being anti Star Power. I don’t know when or were it was decided that 5 cost spells aren’t “big” enough for Big Spell Mage.
This is what is happening. People are now catching on. You are arguing against this.
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At the very least, it’s not the same archetype.
wtf? It’s not BSM??
This is a very weird way to wiggle out of being wrong my man.
That’s exactly what I was doing.
But go on, continue being a hypocrite without any self-awareness.
No it’s not. You were claiming the stats on VS were wrong because it didn’t show Sludgelock. I told you WHY it didn’t show it.
Then you posted YOUR stats with Sludgelock that showed it with a 46% win rate.
Then there were no Sludgelock stats on any site showing it as a great deck, despite you claiming it to be.
I’m showing you the stats and they exist on the site.
See how that’s different?
I would reply seriously, but I see no point, as I’ve already done so and you still keep lying about it
As I said, go on, be yourself
Wow did miss that norganon but It is easy to see why turn 4 norganon is nuts.
Actually it make me wonder if the only archtype open by the rogue tourist is big spell mage.
How’d that whole “Let me demolish the idea and prove that Painlock doesn’t counter BSM” thing work out for you?
Still haven’t seen you admit you’re wrong despite the fact you claim you do admit when you’re wrong.
Allow me to show you what that looks like.
Hey Altair, I believe I may have been wrong about your rank on EU. I’m sorry.
Ok, your turn.