Doubt MTG would be as exciting as playing against say a
Druid deck
Coins on 4 plays Glowfly Swarm gets full board of 2/2s
You can kill em all but 2
Turn 5 they make those lifesteal Dryads they always have hand in hand with tokens just like in all the Broken Token Druid decks of yesterday’s years gone by. And then…
Twinspell.
Cant kill any of them so on turn 7 what’s the Automatic? Yep.
Buffy Buffy over 30 points of Damage to you.
5 years of continuous excitement in Hearthstone seeing basically the same thing over and over again just with slightly different cards.
Totally agree. A bit of RNG is fine (it forces you to adapt), but I think it’s going toward that direction (less RNG), especially because of e-sports and wanting to have a long-lasting presence there.
Another nod. HS was designed to be fast-paced for multiple reasons. Some of which: Not to spend too long to play a single game, especially for casual players. Also, it’s a lot less frustrating (and infuriating) to lose a game that took 5-10 minutes than one that took 45min to 1-hour (like Magic games). That is part of the reason why people hate playing against Priest. The games take too long, and even if you win you still wasted a valuable amount of time that you could’ve played one or two more games (lose/lose).
Here is something else Magic the Gathering wouldn’t ever do because they have people who know cop over there.
So I was playing vs a Warlock Shuffle Shuffle draw Quest deck.
He drops good old Rafaam and turn his deck and hand into legendaries.
He is getting all the best ones.
Ysera
Al’Akir the Windward
Dinotamer Brann
Etc.
I could have won but oh lookie lookie who got Nozari.
But that’s not the worst of it.
So this game of RANDOMNESS. Totally random right? Meaning the SAME thing isn’t going to happen again and gain and again. Wait. your going to throw that flipping quarters odds thing at me I bet.
Okay, but now Ysera doesn’t just give you Quarters. In fact, Ysera can give you FIVE DIFFERENT random cards. One at the end of every turn.
So what are the odds Ysera gives this Warlock 100% of the time - thats ONE HUNDED PERCENT OF THE TIME.
SEVEN FOR SEVEN turns in a row. Dream cost 0 Return a minion to its owners hand. So first dream he picks Nozari back up. Pretty much grantees the game right there unless I can OTK and I can’t.
Warlock is into fatigue and down to 18 health, I can do 8 direct dmg. If his board is kept full he cant drop Nozari again. But ah, 7 for 7, Dream costs 0 return a minion to its owners hand in to row =P. Nice coding their team 5.
At least in MTG, the card does what is says on the card text. Unlike in HS where things happen outside card text. Wild Growth for one does not say anything about Excess Mana.
MTGA is a good card game, but it still have OP problem; currently Lukka agent fire dominates, only to be countered by decks with counter spells (flash or control). It is still rock-paper-scissors.
It is way more complicated than HS, and due to the small player base and few relative information available, the meta takes more time to settle. But both card games embrace the same problems, plus that it can’t adjust card text due to its paper nature.
HS is relaxing, while MTGA is intense. I do recommend both at the same time if you are bored!
Imagine having an amazing animation best one in the business by far, and be losing to a game with literally 1920s moving pictures.
Are you serious Blizzard??? Fix your GAME!!!
It’s pathetic that your billion dollar company can’t even beat a game that tried and failed to come to mobile for more than a year because they are too poor.
MTG is garbage trash, the lowest of the low, Yet it’s still better than this game. You’re actually un ironically losing clients to doodoo turds. Just think about that a single second Blizzard
“Hey guys look, I took my deck filled with classic cards to legend because the guy I face before legend DCed. It’s Viable, don’t believe it? Watch my montage of 10 epic win games I got over the span of 500 games. Don’t pay attention to my editing.”
Oh heck yeah dude, I guess this random Redditor is right, you don’t have to have any good cards to get to legend, just some classic cards they are constantly nerfing/HOFing. I wonder why I don’t believe more people over the internet rather than my own personal experience…hhhhmmmm
I don’t think that’s a flaw. That’s the way Wizard of the Coast chose to balance their game, and considering some of the broken combo, it was a necessity.
it’s not like it’s the only card they have to put board early (if turn 4/5 can even be considered early)
I mean, if they always had it in hand, why play it only on turn 5 ?
Can’t do anything to a big board when facing a swarm deck so you lose ? Yeah this is completly normal. Why are you complaining ?
I mean, do you remember when druid could summon 3 2/2 charge ? That was much more frustrating.
You saw only the good ones that he played, but what about those he didn’t ? Maybe he had a milhouse in hand for the rest of the game ?
Hum, no. I means it is UNLIKELY to happen over and over again. Just like it’s unprobable to see 3 crits on a row in a D&D game. Yet I have seen it.
2.86%. AKA more than 0.
Animation and quality of game isn’t the same thing, tho. You can have the best graphics and animation you want for your game, if the gameplay is trash, people will prefer a good 8-bit game.
Wizard of the Coast too poor ?
I mean, I don’t know the story here, but that sound unlikely.
You can’t be the lowest if you’re better than something else.
It’s weird, you know, that such a trash game wich cost so much real money has such a huge fanbase.
So as long as you win 10 times you enter legend rank ?
Weird, I won twice as much and I’m still silver. Maybe it’s because you need to win more than you lose, wich is hard to do with a non-viable deck.
Are you trolling? I honestly can’t tell these days if someone is trolling of their mindset is just super hard stuck.
You kinda proved my point right here didn’t you? It has to take a lot of screw ups for people to prefer MTG, an actual picture book game, as oppose to a good animation graphics game like HS.
It means HS has to have their gameplay so garbage that MTG’s gameplay makeup for it’s unimaginable horrible coloring book of a game.
Gamers are literary turning their backs on a real game for a novel where every card is a 10 page essay. HS is so bad, they are making gamers readers. How ridiculous is that?
Yes, cuz the point of my argument was there is nothing lower than MTG and the company is poor. No other argument from me was made, those two are my main arguments, yep. You got me dude.
It’s like you’re so boomer that you editing just doesn’t exist in your mind, it’s crazy.
Could someone have played a meta deck all the way up to before hitting legend and played cheap deck the game of legend the make a video?
Also I can’t help but bring this up again. Are you serious??? Do you think I am just that dumb??You think I just don’t know a thing about what I am typing huh? I don’t know what lowest of the low meant so you had to just type a definition to me huh? You must think I am so stupid huh? Are you kidding me?
I am not. Well, I might put a joke or two, but overall I am serious.
Sigh.
I didn’t prove your point, I said you can’t take graphics as a main reason for a game quality. Mario 64, Zelda breath of the Wild, Dark souls, Undertale, Heroes of might and magic 3, Battle for Westhnoth… All those games have 2 things in common : their gameplay is great, and they have a huge community of fans.
Also : ‘unimaginable horrible coloring book of a game’ ? Seriously ? Most of the artwork are good, and the animation is ok in MTG Arena (at least for me)
I didn’t try to tackle your main argument because other things caught my attention. Mainly the fact that you are saying MTG is trash, wich pisses me off. I understand you don’t like it, but please have a little respect for the game that invented an entire genre. It’s like saying D&D is garbage or the C language is bad. Have some respect for the elders !
Couldn’t you just look at the time indicated in the video (because HS gives you the time) to see he’s not chaining games ?
And also, I having a hard time understanding your example. It’s a video of someone winning ten games “in a row” with a bad deck, or just one game ?
Because if he’s only showing one game then yeah, don’t trust him when he says he got to legend only using it.
Well, no. Sorry, I’m just like that sometimes : annoying by calling out on things that are obviously exagerations.
You still haven’t answered me about Wizard of the Coast being too poor to afford making their game mobile, btw. Was that a real thing ? I always assumed they considered their game too complicated to interest people searching for mobile games.
So there are zero people who prefer MTG over HS? Got it, thanks for the info bud.
Anything could be a game, you could compete with someone to see who could read a digit book the fastest and it could be a “game”. MTG is that but a bit better. Whoever can read and understand the hundreds of cards and apply them to gameplay better wins. (So is HS, but HS is a lighter read.)
(Note: I think Dark souls 3 has decent graphics, I wouldn’t call it bad by any means)
Yes those games are fun and have great gameplay that made up for their meh graphics. But those aren’t card games.
Card games rely on graphics more than any other games.
How fun is putting down a 1 mana minions, then a 2 mana minion, then a 3 mana minion? Not very fun.
But when you add other elements to the game, such as it’s WOW themed, your golden cards have animation, attack/defense animation, board interaction animation and etc it gets much more entertaining.
Maybe for 2008, but HS is lightyears beyond MTGA animation wise, and the game was made before MTGA and the game was made around 2010. However, it still looks years more fresh than MTGA.
Facts.
No, if the company is too incompetent to make the simplest animations, graphics and sound(music and voice line) they don’t deserve to be respected.
MTGA is such a good imaginative game, magic is literary in the name but you can hardly feel anything “magical” about the game when playing. It’s such a easy thing to do in a fantasy game such as MTGA to do as well. Whenever someone plays a grass plain, have a jungle animation grow onto the board, or whenever someone plays a ocean have an water flood animation. Some stuff like that to liven up the game, but for a game that is supposed to provide you with a “magical” experience the game still feels too stiff and too much like a card game.
What’s the point in playing an online card game if you get the same experience playing it in real life? Add some spice to it, add something, anything to make the game feel more “magical”.
I say HS devs are lazy all the time but god are they productive compared the MTGA devs. It took them years to make the game a quarter as good as HS and they haven’t even released a mobile version yet. Surely they do realize the flaw of leaving out a whole entire market???
If not, the game is just too old and doesn’t seem to want to evolve and change to new card game standards.
He shows “the climb”, Video title: “From Bronze to legend”
He shows a win game at each tier or whatever as montage then he shows last game before legend.
That’s how 80% of the “Hit legend with only standard cards” video goes.
Even if it’s legit, as long as a deck has a 51% win rate it can hit legend, doesn’t mean it’s good at all.
Not exaggeration, trash card game, garbage players
They’re either too poor or too incompetent to leave out an entire market of the card game industry for Blizzard and now Riot games. Even if they do mange dominate card game on the PC in the future, Blizzard and Riot games would still stand as they have the mobile market.
Does it matter weather or not they are too poor or too incompetent? No
I just assumed they are too poor because there are people who clearly wants MTG on mobile, and I refuse to believe MTG Devs are too arrogant to ignore them. But if you think it’s a the opposite then I have no argument.
Edit: Also, correct me if I am wrong. But isn’t MTGA still only for PC and not for Macs? Unlike HS? If so, the point below doesn’t stand
I willingfully took games I think looks good for my example, because I wanted to show that graphics don’t matter compared to gameplay (in case you’re curious, I think Dark souls is beautifull, thatBreath of the wild gorgeous and that Heroes 3 graphics aged very well).
Well I find that fun, but I get your point.
True.
Opinion. Also, I come back to what I said before : how is real-life MTG so liked if he’s garbage + super pricy ?
Can’t you at least respect them for what they did to the gaming industry in general ? (not just the videogame industry). WotC is the company that created both D&D, wich popularised tabletop rpg, (wich are one of the most important type of game in gaming industry) and MTG, the first TCG ever.
Honestly those sound cool but you need to remember too much animation will make it harder for the game to function properly and he’ll be less understandabe (hence why most cards in HS don’t have animation).
MGTA is free, a card pack isn’t. That’s a huge part of their business plan.
Huh. Yeah that doesn’t sound trustworthy?
It means he’s legend viable, wich was the original discussion if I remember well.
Did you want a free report, or do you have another reason spew an insult out of nowhere ?
They might have just considered it was too late. I mean, it’s not like HS is the only TCG on mobile. It’s not even the first ! Other games older than HS died for various reason, WotC might have considered their game was inadapted to the mobile market.
Well I’m just theorysing (and so are you).
Well it’s just that for me, WotC being too poor would be very weird, but maybe you are right.
Huh, honestly I have no clue about that. If that the case then I guess you win that part of the discussion by default
Ya know, I looked up the voice lines for the Old Gods from WoW and was very disappointed to find that they all seem to talk exactly the same. Wish they were more distinct personality wise. Not really relevant here but don’t see another time when this would come up to talk about.
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