If matchmaking is rigged...?

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I have no idea what you are trying to say, sorry. Can you clarify?

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I’d settle for a testable hypothesis at this point, but you’re unlikely to find two people who agree on either what or how.

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When you compare matchups by deck type across the hundreds of thousands of games recorded on hsreplay, the mix of decks faced by different meta decks is within a percent or two of each other.

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There’s no god. You are talking to yourself, and you think your subconscious is a god.

You are no god. What a projection when religious people are supposedly anti-hubris.

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Right. But what are you trying to say? Just say it. Are you saying this data means it is rigged, or not? I have no idea what hearthplay is or what it means. My findings are from the game’s code and algorithms along with simple logic which proves the game is rigged. Are you saying the hearthplay is confirming this? It so then yes that makes sense.

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It shows that when people play different decks they get matched against the same decks.

Did you just say you have access to the game code and algorithms? That’s great! You should post it on WikiLeaks.

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Again…what are you trying to say? Just say it. I still have no clue what your point is.

Is wikileaks a thing? Anyways, you can do some digging if you’re interested in the inner workings of the game, it’s public domain information

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I can’t clarify any further sorry, it’s ok if you don’t understand it.

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What are you talking about. The matching code is purely at the servers of Blizzard datacenters. You have no access to it at all and the client runs none of that code at all and it is never downloaded to anyone’s computer or phone at all.

You could indirectly prove some forms of rigging of matchmaking; e.g. the third parties could investigate if it matches with counters too often; they don’t seem to report that.

It’s more likely they “rig” it “legally” so to speak by just having a very accelerated MMR; basically you lose easily if you just won a little; it maximizes time played.

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I think I understand it. You are confirming that the game is rigged. Thank you :clap:

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Yep the game is rigged so that if you switch decks, you face the same opponents you would have if you didn’t switch decks.

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The game is rigged so that whiny sore loser babies that believe they are the chosen ones that are gravely wronged by an imaginary overlord.

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I reached that point a long time ago.

The rigging whiners insist their losses aren’t their fault, and won’t budge from that, ever, because they’d then have to face their own perceived inadequacy over a silly card game. They’ve been doing it since the game came out. No evidence, ever. No explanations for the incongruities that should sink the theory - they just move goalposts.

For a while there was actually new talk and ideas, but for the last seven years or so it’s just been the same regurgitated slop. And yet they won’t just quit. Either the game, or the posts.

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I mean, the word definitely has technical definitions:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/rigged

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: manipulated or controlled by deceptive or dishonest means

And so does this little gem, for that matter:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

Circular reasoning (Latin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language): circulus in probando, “circle in proving”;(1)(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning#cite_note-1) also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy) in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with.[2]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning#cite_note-2) Circular reasoning is not a formal logical fallacy, but a pragmatic defect in an argument whereby the premises are just as much in need of proof or evidence as the conclusion. As a consequence, the argument becomes a matter of [faith(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faith) and fails to persuade those who don’t already accept it. Other ways to express this are that there is no reason to accept the premises unless one already believes the conclusion, or that the premises provide no independent ground or evidence for the conclusion.(3)(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning#cite_note-3) Circular reasoning is closely related to [begging the question(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question), and in modern usage the two generally refer to the same thing.(4)(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning#cite_note-Walton2008-4)

“The game is rigged (“manipulated or controlled by deceptive or dishonest means”), and to prove it false would require exposing the rigging, which Blizzard won’t do because they’re being deceptive and/or dishonest. Therefore, because A, B, and because B, A.”

You’ll never get through to this kind of person logically. That’s why it’s a logical fallacy. You either believe, or you don’t, end of. For further reading, one might also try:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_are_either_with_us,_or_against_us

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They’re not rigging anything at the level the conspiracy theories imply; they don’t even have the skill do it; they can barely fix an animation bug that freezes the game for months and people think the Devs rig the game to the micromanaging level of checking your cards inside an individual match?

They just use a very aggressive MMR in the sense that the K-factor is very overtuned in their Elo-scoring algorithm.

Basically if you have a small win streak you will lose abysmally next with a high probability and vice versa.

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Why: have you seen yourself winning easier the more you win or losing even faster if you lose? Making it harder to win after you win and vice versa is the essence of all MMR systems.

This isn’t a question of if it’s true but only how much it’s accelerated for short win streaks or short loss streaks.

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So long as it ensures as close to 50/50 as possible, it does anything, including what you just wrote…so yes, rigged.

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There’s no reason to micromanage HOW you will lose. You WILL lose sooner or later, if they put your MMR high enough and you are matched with big brain opponents.

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Just to be clear: you’re equally upset when you WIN, as when you LOSE?

And you also keep playing a game that upsets you?

EDIT: I mean, just imagine if this were a television show.

“Man, I HATE how RIGGED professional wrestling is!”

“So why do you keep watching it?”

“That’s not the point. It’s rigged, and I’m mad about it!”

Like, okay bro. We get it. We got it roughly 1,400 posts ago. It’s time to find a new hobby.

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