I want a format free of nerfs

That’s like saying that any and every Moba with collectible heroes should never, ever implement balance patches whatsoever to stabilize the game for the same reasons.

I think you’re imparting a definition onto the word ‘collection’ that literally does not exist. To collect something is to gather a group of those things, in no way does the word imply, at all, that those things are eternally unalterable.

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I disagree and I have used this comparison before, but i own about 8000 bucks worth of baseball cards. If they were altered by the people who printed them for whatever reason then their value would be destroyed.
This game is not currently a collectible as I, or any other actual collector knows the definition

Value as in resale value?

What resale value do Hearthstone cards have? Zero. The only value they have is in dust, and when a card is nerfed you receive a full refund for the card if you choose to cash it in.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/collection

Definition of collection

Anyone using definitions outside of this for their own purposes are free to do so, but are using it wrong and should not attempt to imply viability of legal action based on their own definitions over the actual, real definitions of words used.

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Precisely. Which is why calling this product a collectible is stretching the truth to the point of lunacy. If you cannot preserve the items as written, then you have less than nothing.

These are two fundamentally different things, especially in the context I was referring to. There is not a single WotC-sanctioned context in which you can play Marath, Will of the Wilds or Hostage Taker in the way they were originally printed (that is, in the way people would have intended to use them upon purchase). This is functionally no different from what takes place in Hearthstone, as every method you have to play that game is Blizz-sanctioned (that is, played through Blizzard’s channels in a Blizzard-created format).

And the point we’re trying to make is that you can already view cards in their original state (just google them), and there’s no point in having unnerfed versions in your collection because you’d never be able to use them (making the process of implementing a system like this a waste of resources).

It’s hard not to misinterpret your meaning with such an open-ended title as “I want a format free of nerfs” and claiming you want said format exclusively for people who collect (which is nonsensical at best - no format in any CCG is reserved exclusively for people who collect. Even Vintage in MtG has rules and restrictions, and if WotC could nerf cards instead of banning them then they absolutely would).

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Duly noted that the title is vague at best, but since Wild is the only format that currently exists where the cards are somewhat preserved, I used that as my starting point when making this post.
The fact is this isn’t a collectible by any stretch of the imagination. It’s a money pit.

See my above edit. The meaning you’re imparting to the word collection is a personal, sentimental meaning. You’re perfectly welcome to use it of course, but suggesting legal action based on it, rather than the actual definition, seems a bit too far off.

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I am not suggesting legal action for myself as I have no real reason for it but i do think the branding should be challenged as no collector that I know would ever allow their collection to be altered or edited for the sake of placating other players/collectors.
Your dictionary entry says “exhibited” I would love to know where any collectible is exhibited in a different form than the one it was originally created in.
The fact is that they aren’t and that is precisely what makes them collectible.
You do not clean or polish an antique penny as doing so destroys the integrity.

How do you go with -

Without suggesting legal action?

Disagree. I’m a collector myself and know many others in this game who are as well and are quite happy with the way it is done and do not require a historic filter to view cards before balance patches. They cannot be utilized in any way at all, and if we want to see them there is Google.

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Fixed it for ya. I still believe I’m right.
I also maintain that no one is collecting anything in this game as it currently exists.

While we’re splitting hairs, I’m going to take a page out of Wardrum’s book and find the definition of a collectible:

  1. (of an item) worth collecting; of interest to a collector.
  2. able to be collected.

Definition of “collect”:

  1. bring or gather together (things, typically when scattered or widespread).

No part of either of these definitions mentions anything about the collected items changing while owned (or even legally owning the collected items). Claiming that “no true collector” would allow something to change while collected, or that nothing is truly “collected” because they can be changed, is just a version of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

Edit: For clarity’s sake, I’m willing to concede that Hearthstone isn’t as collectible as other hobbies or games, but to say it isn’t collectible by any stretch is incorrect.

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Then you’re factually incorrect, because they are according to real definitions.

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I disagree and I will once again use collectible coins as my example. Indian head pennies are no longer used as tender but they are collected as items of value.
This game has no place where that is allowed, as the cards can be altered or edited as the devs please.
Again, my simplest defense is that if you polish said Indian head penny then you destroy its value and it’s history.

Historical value is sentimental value which is DEFINITELY a thing on personal bases and amongst certain communities, but it is not the definition of a collection in reality.

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Well no collector I know will ever sink money into a product that can be changed or altered because someone else doesn’t like the way it looks or performs.
And sentimental value is a huge chunk of any collectibles appeal.
Bad business decision? I don’t know about that .
I don’t believe this game costs very much to maintain at all. All of the cost is in the creation and alteration .

Using real resources and real people to make a real change that does nothing at all to the game functionally, only serving to satisfy in incredibly niche emotional desire doesn’t come across as a bad business decision to you?

Bear in mind that any changes implemented in a game like this must be justified to people who actually run the game/company.

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Can We agree that millions of players play MTG
as the cards were originally printed?
Having established that there is no way to do that in
HS.
I want it for the simple fact that I want to collect the cards but the format, whether approved by MTG or not, does exist in every card game currently printing physical cards.
I see nothing fundamentally wrong with asking for that.
You say it wouldn’t be popular and I think otherwise.
Anyhow, the day HS implements one of my ideas will never happen.

Which is not Hearthstone.

Heck, the makers of MtG themselves don’t even see a good reason to create such a format.

Last I checked analogies don’t invalidate dictionary definitions, but okay.

The cards in HS have no intrinsic or resale value regardless of whether Blizz changes them or not. One of the core advantages of a digital CCG is that the only limit to the number of copies of a given card is the number of players who own the game. What makes something like the pennies you mentioned valuable (what ultimately makes most collectibles valuable) is their scarcity.

If these collectible pennies were obtainable by literally anyone and everyone with the only limit being the number of people who want them, the value of these pennies would plummet, but it wouldn’t change the fact that these pennies are still collectible.

Again, no-true-scotsman fallacy. You’re effectively saying that no one can ever collect anything that has qualities which can be changed by a third party. That’s a personal opinion at best and not an argument for an entire company to rebrand.

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yet it exists and is played by loads of people every day.
@Infinty: You are saying I am using a purity test for
what is collectible? I see it differently. If someone altered my BB cards for the sake of their own
desires then the value of my collection would be destroyed.
I don’t call that purity. I call that pragmatism.