I don't think this is an easy fix guys

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I was kinda holding on to see if they addressed some of the stuff rn (which might not happen this week since we got zero news today). But upon further reflection I just don’t think a patch will fix this for me.

Will I like the meta if armor DH gets nerfed? Nah, here’s the thing:

  • I don’t like to play either with or against leech DK either.
  • I really don’t like to play with or against any of that hunter snoozefest.
  • I don’t like to play StarCraft all over again (except protoss priest maybe).
  • I don’t like to play against egg or turtle warrior, nebula shaman or Dungar druid.

It kinda feels like absolutely everything in the queue for meta is just a flavor of a non-game. Either hyperaggro blowout to scam a win or some greedy infinite loop of some insane shenanigans you can’t deal with in the top end. Doesn’t really look like imbue decks can possibly thrive without very significant intervention and things like rogue (particularly burgle) will be dead in the water until at least a miniset comes up.

This might be by far the dumbest state of Hearthstone I have experienced and every time we seem to set a lower and lower bar in that regard. I kinda wonder if devs understand basic stuff like tempo, attrition, value, etc or if they just design stuff based on vibes without any real gameplay design picture in mind.

Anyways, sorry for the rant. I just think I’ll be off for a while, so happy gaming to whoever is having fun :saluting_face:

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Lets just start with rotating the Starcraft set and move from there. Unless they are going to nerf every card in that set into the ground those packages will ALWAYS be playable simply because of the targeted tutoring that exists for them.

The Armor stacking is an easy fix and should have already happened.

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They could just nerf the tutor cards, but I think you can nerf it in other ways.

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Here’s a hot take from me.

The meta will be balanced when Imbue Priest is playably competitive.

That is to say, Imbue decks need to see more play and can’t until tons of things are nerfed to their power level.

That is also to say that in order for Imbue Priest to be decent, TONS of stuff needs to be nerfed to Imbue Priest’s current power level (ie, we need some harsh nerfs because it’s terrible right now)

This new set can’t see newer cards to see play when the previous stuff is mega powerful.

Tone the ENTIRE standard meta way down to the current power level of Imbue Priest.

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Or just completely change priest’s imbue. Its a lost cause for me. Its an easier fix aswell.

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I’ve given up hope on that. I have been tracking Reddit, and despite all data pointing to it being absolute trash and whiffing over and over and over, several people keep trying to gaslight others into thinking it’s good and that it just needs the right deck.

The correct fix would be to make the temp tag go away and/or make the discovery a minion or spell and then discover from 3 cards from that. I see no hope that they change it to either of these. Instead, we have people like Zeddy saying they should change the imbue cards themselves to be better. That’s not the fix. That won’t work. It’s the actual imbue itself that sucks.

So, let’s just nerf the rest of the meta to be just as strong (read, unpowerful) as Imbue Priest currently is. That slows everything down in power.

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The problem with it is that it gives you priest cards lol

Imagine this same imbue in DK. It’d be meta right now

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Thats what I thought when they revealed it. Priest lost the most out of the rotation believe it or not so I was hoping for some replacement. Or leave raza untouched.

I agree with schyla that temporary tag must leave immediately in the very next patch. It wont be enough for sure but its a quick last moment’s fix.

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I can’t say you are wrong…but I’m not sure you’re 100% right.

Yes, Priest card suck. They always do. They are so anti-synergistic all the time. There are so many things you can hit that will literally do nothing. Zarimi does nothing for you if you aren’t running a complete dragon package. “If your hero took damage this turn” cards are all useless unless you are…well, a Demon hunter, which those cards were intended for. They weren’t really Priest cards to begin with. The cards only work with themselves or a DH hero power. Useless. The next draenei you play gets X…yeah, that’s nice. If you even have any draenei. There are SO many whiffs. And that’s not counting the whiffs where you can’t play the card, shouldn’t play the card, or the discount does nothing because you just paid 2 mana to play a 1 mana cost spell with an 8 mana discount.

The entire thing is really bad.

Yes, it would be better in literally any other class, but it likely wouldn’t be super strong because of the temporary tag. You wouldn’t whiff as much, but you’d still be whiffing more than you think. For example, can’t draw a frost spell on your DR minion if you have no frost spells. Stuff like that.

The pool you discover needs to be better to choose.

And each expansion, this gets worse for Priest. Don’t think the next 5 expansions will have Priest with great cards, it’s going to be more Chalk Artist and Sauna Regular stuff. You can bet the house on it. Priest tax is a real thing in Hearthstone.

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I haven’t played much priest until recently so I wasn’t really aware just how bad most priest cards have been lately. And after rotation the outlook is just extremely dire. I still think what they got this set is good (including the imbue pieces), but what they have left after rotation is just so atrocious that it’d take at least 2 expansions worth of cards to make this pool worthwhile. And maybe another rotation after that

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Brian Kibler plays a very early game focused imbue priest that seems to be working somewhat.
I tried pure imbue controll but that’s just not working very well. I think I like the Protos imbue crossover one the most. But if they nerf Protoss stuff…

This Is why I hated the StarCraft miniset. We might have gotten some good draenei support, as it was also bad, but nope.

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I don’t think you realize how bad Priest cards are every expansion lol (remember the 42 health joke?)
There’s a reason Priest has gone the aggro route. The control stuff and mid deck stuff is really bad. And it’s the control and mid deck stuff you want to hit with Imbue, not aggro stuff (seriously, you don’t want to hit the 1 mana 2/4 minion later in the game and hand the opponent a free OTK).

One of the biggest things I have brought up in the last 5+(more?) years about Priest cards is how they are always weirdly anti-synergetic. It’s never made sense why they do this on purpose. It’s as if the person who designs Priest doesn’t understand how to design based on the archetypes and just does weird stuff. The self damaging stuff is a perfect example. Priest has almost no cards to self damage and DH has a way to self damage every turn and they made Priest cards specifically for DH to use and screwed Priest out of an entire expansion because of it. It’s just dumb.

This has continued on for nearly every expansion. There’s always this weird anti-synergy thing going on with Priest. The latest expansion is a great example, they gave Priest 1 dragon. They changed Zarimi to 8 played dragons. So there are a total of 3 Priest Dragons in standard not counting Zarimi. Make it make sense. So Priest is a dragon minion class that has to rely on tons of neutral dragons.

Last expansion they gave Priest a minion with Overheal support, but zero new healing cards. The expansion before that they gave Priest silence support unicorn with literally no reason or need for it or synergy with anything.

Everything is just clunky and weird or needs another card to support it and cannot be played on its own. Thus, Imbue is even worse than we imagined, even for me.

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ZachO(VS) had a good point for a change this time. The StarCraft decks are just too good and disrupt the meta. At the very least I’m also super annoyed I see ZERG still existing.

I would not be surprised if the nerf kills the Zerg further, and I hope the Terran too preemptively.

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ZachO also said on the podcast he’s good at deck building. Then goes on to talk about how good Imbue Priest and how the hero power is strong. They also talk about how we might see Gravity Lapse in action because Taunt Warrior with Tortolla will be a huge issue. He even played it in the Theory Craft a lot and said he had lots of fun. So even after playing it he couldn’t see the problem with it. Before Theory Craft streaming, I could clearly see how bad this thing is and the problem with it. I don’t know how any more clueless he could be. I don’t know how everyone was so wrong on Priest Imbue. “The Hero Power is very good” -ZachO. No, dude. It’s terrible. For all the reasons I’ve been saying it’s bad since the day it was revealed. He said it’s one of the strongest Imbues. He couldn’t have been more wrong.

It’s performing worse than…Whizbang. It’s literally that bad.

It’s like I’ve said about ZachO before: He’s great at looking at current data and predicting stuff, but really bad at predicting new card and deck power. So you have to take what ZachO says with a grain of salt. A big grain of salt.

His recent podcast they talk about aggro Protoss Priest as the standout deck for Priest. Before Theory Crafting, I said Imbue Priest would be bad and Priest would likely just be relying on Protoss Priest as the main deck. And I was told Protoss Priest was dead because it would have no copy effects come rotation. I was right and ZachO wasn’t even remotely close to being right about Priest.

He admits in the recent podcast that Imbue Priest is horrendous, unplayable and one of the worst decks. Talks about why Imbue is bad because of the real lack of value. But he doesn’t talk about what a fix would look like, unfortunately.

But, I’m rambling because I’m still salty about Imbue Priest (it was the last reveal and the entire time we were all hoping for something awesome and it was unplayable trash and it was hard to get anyone to see it). Sorry for the salt haha

But you are 100% right and ZachO is about the StarCraft decks. This was my issue when they nerfed all the SC stuff and didn’t touch Protoss. Made zero sense. And yes, still annoyed at Zerg. But remember, “aggro always finds a way” and we will always see aggro in one form or another, and Zerg aggro is just really good.

I don’t know how they nerf it at this point without unintentionally breaking it further. You can’t make the draw cards draw non-Protoss cards because those would be broken in other decks that would use them for draw + value without a package. Nerf the charge on the Zealot though, that’s my suggestion. That has to go.

The miniset transformed the entire meta on release because of its power and synergy. The new stuff they released doesn’t have that same power and synergy.

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I tried to make a deck to use the Priest legendary and it is amazing to me how awful it is.

It is a nine mana card that you need three additional turns for a pay off and it does not even have taunt or rush or anything useful on the turn you play it.

Complete Garbage.

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I’d rather they rotate the great beyond expansion completely in advance than have it butchered with nerfs, issue resolved,

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How about a priest imbue that discovers a card in either the opponent’s hand or deck? I’m annoyed that Druid’s imbue is at start of game and all they have to do is play spells. I’ve tried making imbue priest work and almost never got anything useful. Then I started facing all the DHs and just gave up.

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This would be pretty broken though because the card pool is then limited to only good cards (your opponent doesn’t play bad cards) and you’d easily outpace your opponent using their own deck even with just 2 Imbue buffs.

Players tend to hate the Priest steal/copy mechanic anyway so we don’t want anything that feels bad to the opponent.

Just make the Imbue not temporary and make it an actual discover. Everyone else gets instant value or guaranteed value with every click of their HP. No reason Priest can’t get the same.

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If you salty about priest, am i allowed to be salty about rogue?

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Absolutely! Dude, I’M salty about Rogue lol