No one saying making game like snail path but lower power-creap , mana cheat and card draw a little.
they have lost players because this game is old and really felt-up.
They refuse to innovate, and so that is the natural outcome.
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Why bring MTGA into it? Should hearthstone be changed to randomly skip your next 3 turns because you drew (or didnt draw) a land and you have no play?
Mabye âat the start of the game lose because you drew a bad hand and had to mulligan 3 timesâ. Comparing any online card game to MTGA is silly because that game is a mess.
Its pretty much the norm in the âhistoricâ version of MTGA too⌠and heartstone is pretty quickly trending down this path as well.
Im not arguing to go back to the 40 minute long fatigue warrior matchups⌠just scale it back from the turn 5 every deck is a 40 damage combo from hand. A nice 13 turn back and forth with a mostly minion combat and mabye a light damage from hand finisher is all right by me.
Hearthstone is losing a lot of replayability with every match essentially being the same. As someone mentioned in another post⌠aggro decks are now aggro/combo/control and they all lead to the same abrupt end on turn 7
Its boring when every game plays out exactly the same and every game is starting to be the same regardless of class now.
You just described my Sludgelock, almost perfectly
The only thing which doesnât fit, is 13 turns
Turn 11 is all I can give you, max
No the stats are showing when we have slow metas with all the decks around 51-52% win rates less people play the game. When we have more midrange decks more people are playing along with streamers.
Yes the game is getting older and thats causing decline but recently hs has had more players than the last 2 years.
The curent way the game is results in more players.
Slower metas and the meta we had the previous expansion and last year showed less players overall than the way the game is right now.
Since the latest expansion the game is at its highest play rate in over 2 years.
Lots of yall complaining on the forums but the data is showing the devs are doing something right.
Hs is number 21 on twitch right now last time i checked as well. Thats respectable.
Are you going to provide any of those âstatsâ you speak off, or are we to just take your word for it?
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Yep im looking and twitch and newzoo (newzoo paid) stats.
Normally Iâd harp on people who necropost, but this topic is still ironically quite relevant so you get a pass on that front.
However, I still think youâre missing the point us old timers here are trying to make. Or maybe you do understand and are just telling us to get with the times, either way 
But the point is, youâre not incorrect. Times are changing, and âmost peopleâ are either satisfied with the game as it is (and thus arenât complaining here on the forums), or are otherwise okay with the direction the game is headed (and thus arenât complaining here on the forums). Neither camp comprises the majority voice ON the forums, though.
Because here on the forums, weâre a bunch of burnt-out old geezers / geezettes who liked what WAS in lieu of what IS. And what itâs BECOMING is even scarier to us. We like our lawns just like they were in 1955, please and thank you.
So like, sure, the âOK Boomerâ response is accurate. But, youâre still on our lawn.
Actually you are quite close to the truth, but thats slightly different.
So, in my opinion, the game was shifted by devs into this abomination due to several reasons.
1st, and the primary one is the profit, which mainly comes now from mobile.Accessibility along with fast moving games ( on the can, in the bus, waiting for a w/e something ) went into the prime shift of devs
2nd reason is the destroyed risk reward system that the majority of gen Z has, which in detail means that most of them have been brought up with instant gratification, aka little to no work whatsoever but given full rewards / benefits for nothing or almost nothing.This reason has a huge impact but no point discussing it on HS forums 
3rd reason is that a bunch of people enjoyed HS for alot of years in the old paradigm, most of the people complaining now remember the old days when it was somehow balanced and Ben Brode actually made changes accordingly, while listening to players.I dont know if the devs dont care, but the upper management changed, so, it might not be Blizzard dictating the recent changes.
There are several more but it will trigger a TLDR effect in some people so no point stretching it out.
I agree with points 1 and 3, but this one is just typical old-people talk.
âKids these days are lazy, donât want to work, want everything handed to them.â This is literally the same sentiment that LITERALLY - I cannot stress that word enough - L.I.T.E.R.A.L.L.Y every single generation has on LITERALLY every single generation that comes after them. Itâs ALWAYS like this.
You can trace it back THOUSANDS of years. Itâs ALWAYS like this. Old people are out of touch, young people are lazy. ALWAYS.
It has zero point zero percent to do with anything re: hearthstone balancing. Everything else, youâre correct on though.
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Well, there is some truth to that 2nd point if we add that by âdestroyed risk reward systemâ, we acknowledge that it was mostly the OLD GENERATION who destroyed that system 
âGosh, surely we, the more responsible old generation, canât possibly have any responsibility to do with raising the kids or setting up the systems in which they grew up in. (and donât call me Shirley)â
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If I had perms to post direct links I would have expressed it via meme:
https://preview.redd.it/x6xv87hsw9561.png?auto=webp&s=d8808f53b51dc6481eca7e5cf476578724995ac4
Thatâs not an old people rant ⌠thatâs an actual huge problem, and one of the examples is children having access to cell phones / tablets / iPads and so on from an early age.
Studies have actually shown that a vast % of gen Z have close to no friends, and canât communicate properly.
One of the most sought for jobs in US atm is Communication Coach.
Itâs not an old people rant, itâs an underlying problem thatâs becoming a huge concern.
As for HS, the direction to which the game design shifted to, encourages that faulty risk reward system and its pissing me off hard
It can also be true in nearly all those cases, which I know is a hard pill for you to swallow.
But I agree that gamers are spoiled and hearthstone is no exception.
How many times do we get posts here about how the free stuff isnât free enough? OMG, you had to play a card you donât like to get free packs? The horror.
Cite your source. I should be fascinated to see this.
I think most GenZâs have plenty of friends. They simply interact in a way that older people have difficulty recognizing, or relating to.
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I heard something similar about Japan. Apparently, kids there have never smiled in their whole lives because of covid and living in a virtual world, rather than socializing.
Apparently, smiling is a social thing and theyâre hiring teachers to teach them how, when and why to smile xD
First time I hear this for USA, though. Iâm finding it hard to believe itâs gone so far over there
I think itâs a bunch of hot air from some fairly narrow minded old people.
I know plenty of young people who are GenZ.
They have excellent communication skills, and are as eager to work as anyone I have ever known. Funny how all of these studies seem to come from the same old people who claim there is a problem.
Yes, it is:
https://arapahoelibraries.org/blogs/post/generational-blame-a-brief-history/
citation needed.
Thatâs great, but it doesnât disprove my point.
Itâs been a concern of old people for thousands of years. See above.
Might could be. That wasnât my point though.
Old people always think younger people suck. This has nothing to do with Hearthstone, and balancing the game. See above.
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Exactly. All of my neighbors practically are GenZ, and they communicate beautifully. The thing is, they do it digitally.
While older generations have adapted to use todayâsâ technology, GenZ is of the technology. They are immersed in it, having been raised with it as the norm.
So, they do communicate quite well. Just in a way that old people cannot seem to recognize.
Not only that, but they might actually BE ânot as smartâ in terms of rote memorization of facts that us oldies have been conditioned to. Similarly, I have zero clue how to use an abacus, and I doubt most people alive know how to charter routes across the sea using the stars.
As tech advances, needs change. Nobody growing up, needs to know the stuff I was told would forever be essential, like telling time via analog clocks.
Itâs just the way it is. Doesnât mean kids are getting dumber. Doesnât mean theyâre smarter, either. Itâs just different.
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