Lol. Hatred of reno blinds people to the very rules of the game…
Hey kettle calling plagues black
Correct that it’s inconsistent.
It’s not a cheat though. The highlander deck only gets to have one of the three cards through a discover effect.
It follows deck building restrictions to keep people from needing 2x of every powerful legendary so you can use it in ETC. it basically functions as a side board that isn’t actually in your deck.
It has always worked in highlander, and always will because the cards are never in your deck. It’s just a way for highlander to reliably discover a second copy of a few cards. There was never anything stopping highlander from discovering extra copies of things via other effects. Why should ETC be considered a cheat?
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Yep, agreed
Lol nope
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This is the downside of the standard change - if you didn’t have it start of game, it will not work because it did not check, making them useless to discover.
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The cards in you Band Manager aren’t in your deck at the start of the game. New Highlander rules only look at what started in your deck it doesn’t care about how many duplicates of what gets generated discover or shuffled in during the game. On the flip side this also means the new rules doesn’t let you get the payoff if you discover or copy additional copies of highlander cards. You only get the 1 payoff from the orginal copy of the card that stared in your deck.
if they are in the deck then try drawing the cards from your ETC
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I’m a big fan of crying on the forums… but even i don’t agree with this thread…
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Betcha it was Brann double Rat.
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No. It follows the ETC building rules, which are very similar to deck building rules. However, the cards in the “sideboard” are not considered part of the deck. This is by design. So when the game checks what cards are in your deck at the start of the game, it does not look at the “sideboard”… again, by design. It is not a bug. It is not an exploitation. It is the intended design.
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If you can’t draw it, then a card isn’t in your deck.
Why is this complicated?
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Something tells me OP wasn’t around when ODD Paladins played two copies of Sunkeeper Tarim which were both discovered from Stonehill Defender. When that happened, it was a sign to call it a day.
The difference is that you are actually putting them in your deck. Just because it mechanically says you are Discovering them doesn’t mean it’s the same. You are choosing your three choices. It’s not Discover, just as “Choose” isn’t. They just failed to make it a new mechanic. And again, they count towards card limits. It’s incredibly inconsistent and a way for Highlander to cheat in dupes.
What? No they don’t, lol
ETC is 1 card, counts as 1 card, and you get 1 card out of it, unless you do it after Brann, then you get 2 out of it
You can’t play 2 in your deck and 1 in the E.T.C.
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They are not “in” ETC.
They are in his band, which he doesn’t carry around.
You DISCOVER a card from his band, meaning it is created after ETC is played.
If we go by your logic, highlander decks should fail every time you have the option to discover a copy of a card you already have, which obviously doesn’t happen.
Exactly. Players here acting incensed toward the OP for not interpreting the text correctly are ignoring the fact that ETC functions as a loophole to get around the highlander restriction.
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It isn’t a loophole when it’s working as intended.
It’s not even a good card, ffs.
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“Working as intended” does not mean that it does not function as a loophole.
There is no disclaimer on the Reno card that says:
“Unless you are running ETC”.
Making exceptions for a restriction intended to limit the power of the card rather defeats the purpose, imo.
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The way to understand what Neon is saying is simple.
If ETC has a nonduplicate card that reads: Discover a spell.
If that spell discovers a duplicate of a spell in the deck, is it a loophole? There are means for a nonduplicate deck to get a card of theirs duplicated. Copies, discovers, random generation etc.
And there is also this:
Why sweat over it?
It’s truly not even that good.
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