The data for quest rez priest is easy to identify because the quest is being played every match. Rez priest would be more difficult to identify and may get falsely identified as another priest archetype. Most games do have both players playing 30 cards. There can be some errors in how decks are identified.
But you didn’t supply the evidence that has ‘been released’ - I mean, where can we find it? If not on these forums, then could you at least tell us where to look for it?
I don’t think anybody has demanded any findings to be released here specifically. More or less anywhere on the internet would do.
Whether anybody believes you or not is kinda irrelevant - if it’s impossible to see the data you’re describing for ourselves - it’s kind of useless isn’t it?
There isn’t any data that he is referring to. He’s simply twisting reality to suit his argument. I like watching the show ancient aliens because I enjoy ancient history and the locations they talk about but I don’t believe anything they say about aliens. They manipulate the evidence to suit their story which is exactly what reaper is doing.
This is one of the most fundamentally anti-intellecutal, ad hominem-riddled posts I’ve ever seen on this site (and I’ve read Vukamov’s posts lol). I’m not gonna tell you what to believe, but if we’re “idiots” for wanting people to provide and link hard evidence to support their controversial claims, then every academic/scientific institution around the world is populated by nothing but morons.
You’re guilty of the same thing these “trolls” are, poor reading abilities and comprehension, here let me put a quote from a prior post here that you peeps failed to see/read: “Last time was just about a little over a year ago before these forums were made and the old forums taken down”
Do you see what you missed yet? The old forums no longer exist, the “data” and thread, all of it was deleted by the mods claiming not to post such things on the games own website (psst they won’t let us post data that shows anything bad regarding Blizzard, it will be deleted as “spam” and the trolls/blizzard fan boys will do their thing). To my knowledge, the OP quit HS and the data is lost. I’ve done my own testing but I would never post my results here, I have no desire to enlighten others beyond what’s reasonable in my eyes. The best way to learn is to figure it out yourself, as long as you’re paying attention to what’s going on
I’ve said what needed to be said (the self-entitlement of certain people is quite appalling, this country is populated by morons pretending not to be. Remember the old adage: an idiot doesn’t know they’re an idiot just like you can’t convince one that they are one, I’ve said it before it’s like arguing with a drunk, it’s just not worth it in the end. I’m “dumb” for even posting on these forums, less than 1% of the active playerbase even bothers coming to these forums. In my eyes, they’re ALL smarter than us tbh), try re-reading my posts a few times until something hits your head. (I’m referring to an Epiphany of course)
Cheers o/ (if you’re wondering whom I’m referring to as “trolls”, it’s easy to see, I don’t respond to them directly. They get mad by this which like Lykotic said (sorry bro, but you did say it and it’s very much true) makes for quite the “mild entertainment” that’s needed for daily life in America. I could go on and further elaborate but what’s the point? There isn’t any, nothing we do here will have any lasting effects, we are after all just seen as “mild entertainment” by the less than 1% of people who even play HS that come here to these very forums.)
You are cruel, there is nothing more perverse than hiding information which could improve their well-being from people who seek the truth :'v
It looks like YOU completely misread their post as well. If you take a moment:
Whether anybody believes you or not is kinda irrelevant - if it’s impossible to see the data you’re describing for ourselves - it’s kind of useless isn’t it?
You’ll notice their entire point. If you make a claim about the existence of data and can’t provide evidence for the existence of said data, then your entire point holds basically zero weight in any conversation about the topic. About a year ago, a Reddit user performed a complete statistical analysis of *hundreds of games (accounting for controls and everything) that conclusively demonstrated that there was no rigging, but I’ve never mentioned it in a conversation on this topic because the thread was eaten up by Reddit a few months back. Evidence isn’t evidence if you can’t provide it. Otherwise it’s an anecdote, and those hold no weight when trying to demonstrate something like rigged games. And this:
The old forums no longer exist
Is just straight-up false. The old forums were archived, not deleted. You can’t post there, but every account and thread that was there the day before the switch are still there now.
Good point. People did ask for data and now we have some data!
Lets see how this anomaly will be explained. I can tell you right now that this data wont be accepted as valid for whatever reason.
And in this case there could be a good reason (I am not ruling anything out). Like for example the one you mentioned in the post above,which in the end comes down to “to small sample seize”
But this is the biggest sample seize we could possibly get (though we have no clue how big it actually is).
If people don’t accept this example,then they should also stop asking for data because the data wont ever be good enough.
Honestly? It’s a start. I’m intrigued and would like to delve further, but Nullspace didn’t provide a link or source for their statistics, so we can’t go further or even conform the legitimacy of the statistics.
If people don’t accept this example,then they should also stop asking for data because the data wont ever be good enough.
It’s weird you phrase it like this, almost as if you’ve tried to submit data before (insofar as I can tell you haven’t) and want to victimize yourself by claiming that any amount of linked, organized evidence is too much to ask for.
This is all you need to know about the Rigged Whiner brigade…
These are people who have not only guzzled the Flavor-Aide, they are pumping it intrathecally directly into their spinal cord to bypass the blood/brain barrier so their few remaining brain cells can braise in nonsense like the last desperate, blackened chunks of gristle in a vat of acid. They talk like they have “evidence” but it’s naught but a tattered knot of bias and anecdotes that they pretend is a majestic tapestry of proof. These are people who are flying at 60,000 feet on their own gaseous emissions to the point where people living on street corners eating their own poo look at them with pity and contempt.
Just go to Hsreplay using a PC. Click meta. Click on the top meta deck. The main page will show the % of said deck as a representation of the whole class. From that page click match up. It will show the win rate against each classes/ decks and the % they meet them compared to other archetype of the class. All my data points are there.
Ps: no idea why it don’t work on mobile, it says premium for mobile but able to view from PC.
Edit: https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/323/secret-highlander-paladin#tab=matchups
See if this link works. I got it using a PC.
What exactly is the question in regards to the mirror rates? They don’t match up as much as they should so game is rigged? IF this is what is being said then that’s hyperbole because these will never match up. Different decks have different power and will be more or less common at different ranks. Within even 10% seems perfectly fine. If the game was being rigged VS would know about it. Hsreplay. Somebody would and make a huge post. Its not happening ppl. You are losing because you suck at the game or you played perfectly and lost to RNG.
There is a reason i choose top meta deck because it have a larger sample size.
Every other top deck meet rate is pretty similar within a decent margin of error while mirror is significantly lower over all top 5 decks. I am not saying its rigged, but i do believe there could be a case where they intentionally lower the meeting of mirror (maybe perhaps its boring).
Well I took nullspace word for it at face value. I didn’t actually check it lol,yes I am that lazy. Maybe I shouldn’t have taken his word to be true but since people can check it easily I did assume it is true. I guess I was wrong here which would make my whole post invalid.
The last sentence is indeed phrased weird,i don’t know how to phrase this well (English is not my first language). The point is that it is pointless to ask for data proof,if the data proof wont be accepted anyway for whatever reason.
Asking for data is definitely not to much to ask for,but if you will refute whatever data is given for whatever reason anyway, then why ask for it in the first place?
It gives the impression,well if you can prove it I will believe it. But then when you actually prove it people will still say they don’t believe it. (which isn’t the case here anymore,now that nullspace example has proven to be impossible to reproduce)
My data is absolutely accurate. You don’t need to worry about that. But is there anything beyond the meaning of it is up to one interpretation.
Just go to Hsreplay using a PC. Click meta. Click on the top meta deck. The main page will show the % of said deck as a representation of the whole class. From that page click match up. It will show the win rate against each classes/ decks and the % they meet them compared to other archetype of the class. All my data points are there.
Ps: no idea why it don’t work on mobile, it says premium for mobile but able to view from PC.
Edit:
https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/323/secret-highlander-paladin#tab=matchups
See if this link works. I got it using a PC.
I see what you mean now, thanks for the clarification. I always assumed the “popularity” percent was that decks representation overall, but it looks like I was wrong lol.
If I had to guess, maybe it has something to do with class/deck representation at different ranks? To my knowledge the statistics seen here are combinations of all games at all ranks, and cheaper/more aggressive decks tend to be more popular at lower ranks than higher ranks. Maybe that has something to do with it? I’ll check it out more when I get the chance.
Yep you are right, its across all rank. I dont have premium for a more narrow data. But the difference is obvious. You just check the top 7 decks, all show the same trend mirror have a significant lower % than their class representation while all 6 other decks meet said deck at a representation similar to their overall popularity in the class. I think the data point obviously mirror match up is lower. The question is why? The system deliberately set it up this way? Or simply the odds of A meeting A is lower than A meeting B there is (x-1) A in the pool to be match. But is (x-1) significant enough to show the disparity in %?
Edit: i check accross midrange, combo and aggro deck, all yield same results. Shouldnt be due to distribution of different rank.
Switching decks will naturally make you meet your counters less because at rank 1-3 you are likely to play the same person more than once.
You took this as evidence you are confusing or bypassing the so called rigged system but what you are really doing is confusing the players in your pocket meta.
In any event, I still hold on to the uncounterable claim that no sane person continues to play a game they think is rigged. Nobody. It makes 0 sense. There are thousands of games out there. Especially if you are crunched for time letsurf having your own business or whatever. So you are going to take your rare free time and play a game you think is rigged. Why???
You would garner alot more respect and believability if you put your actions to match your words and denounced the game and Blizzard and quit. But you dont. Because deep down you dont believe the game is rigged. But your mind is. Your mind and my mind are rigged to seek out patterns that arnt there. Just watch some The Brain with david Eagleman and you will come to see how you erred.
It will be deleted later
Uh - you do know that the EU’s GDPR laws are about the protection of personal data and privacy and they have nothing to do with the subject of this ridiculous thread, right?
This is what I’m talking about when I say that the Rigged Whiners have nothing but a tattered knot of bias and anecdotes that they BELIEVE (oh so hard do they believe!) is “evidence”. Actual, literal kooks are walking this Earth really believing that GDPR, or irrelevant patents for entirely different game genres are some sort of evidence of rigged Hearthstone matches.
Do you think there are no other living life form except for humans in this universe?
Since no-one has come up with a proof for that…
you guys make me laugh so hard.
Do you think there are no other living life form except for humans in this universe?
There’s a difference between “there is no direct evidence for the existence of extraterrestrial life, therefore I don’t yet hold the belief there is extraterrestrial life” and outright claiming “there is no extraterrestrial life whatsoever”. One of them is a skeptical position based on a lack of proper evidence for a positive claim (in this case, “extraterrestrial life exists”), while the other is a positive claim about a negative fact (in this case, "extraterrestrial life doesn’t exist). The big difference between the two viewpoints (beyond what I’ve already said) is that the positive claim is the one that holds the burden of proof and needs to provide evidence towards those who might be skeptical.
It’s reasonable to not blindly believe that extraterrestrial life exists. That doesn’t mean it’s reasonable to make the positive claim that we are alone (that would require evidence from every square inch of the universe), but lacking a belief in something based on an according lack of evidence for said thing is perfectly valid. Same logic applies to concepts like religion etc.