No, the neutral cards supporting shaman are what needs a nerf as well as a the 2 class cards I named. Quest shaman is only strong because it can(and does) consistently go face with battlecries that have no business doing 4-6 face damage and never did.
Warlock just needs that unstoppable combo broken. Dealing with 1 Ra should be enough. Having them easily drop 2 should never have happened, and yes it is extremely easy to pull off.
Honestly it’s humorous how people sit and cry about shaman, but I see them flooding the board before they even know what shaman deck I’m playing when I play shaman(it’s not quest, murloc, or evolve). Half of the people complaining about things are making their typical brain dead plays of flooding the board against decks that pretty much bank on it.
You can keep saying the decks that use it are better without the quest, but you really can’t judge anything in this meta with the number of broken cards that exist. In practice of actual completion and what you get, the ones I named are indeed overpowered.
In terms of evolve shaman, the same thing they needed to do to many other decks that they still refuse to do is the answer: cards on the board are locked into the cost payed to play them until they leave the board again(that and alter desert hare’s tokens into 0 drops not copies).
You know, complaining resolve anything, right? If you have a bad match up against the shaman decks, why don’t you play a deck that has a favorable match up against the shaman class?
Hell no. This is where you are wrong. Blizzard chose to pre-design meta, one of devs said it straight in one of their interviews - they design 3-4 decks and print cards according to the design. BG completely different, every game plays like new one, even if end-game strategies become stale at some point (which can also be avoided if they update the mode frequently enough), the path to that end game always different and feels new. Unlike hs - obviously this is for me. Maybe there are people who enjoy playing 2 decks on ladder for years. Everyone got their own fetishes, not gonna blame you for that.
I have been playing hs since closed beta. Trying ladder with every next expansion and leaving to play arena (which was the only viable mode if you want variety) every time. For me ladder was always dead. Now entire HS is dead for me cause I got bg that always plays new and fresh AND requires NO Fing grinding. NO cards, NO gold needed! F you hs, Thank you bg.
Sorry for all the Fs, but I am really happy I finally got the best mode for me.
Not gonna delve into meta and cards discussion here cause again I coulnd’t care less about hs anymore. BUT (XD) they could make a viable game, if cards were balanced - which can easily be achieved by NERFing cards that are played more (bet Blizz got this data, cause even outside decktrackers have pretty accurate data on that) AND at the same time BUFF all the cards that are not played.
JUST as an example: nerf zili: to 0/1 and buff something like angry chicken to 1/3. Along with other buffs and nerfs (obviously it needs a little bit of thought, but you got what I mean, hopefully). Ideally you aim to make EVERY card playable AND every legendary and epic - situational.
I mean c’mon. I had this kind of discussions since beta. Blizz obviously doesnt care about CARDS balance, they only design decks and print filler cards to FORCE people into “fail” packs, so they buy even more packs. Cheap move, but it earns them a lot of money I guess…
I can take basically any of my good homebrews to rank 5 easily, but once I need to climb those final 2 or 3 ranks to Legend many, but not all, of my homebrews tend to just come up short. That is what I am relating end game BGs to. Once you start getting to those final rounds when everyone has had a chance to find small pieces the game begins to narrow a lot… A lot like ladder at the end.
I agree that the journey there can be fun and knowing when to bail on 1st to get points is a cool ‘feature’ of the mode as I like odds risk decision making like that but, eventually, all BGs start looking the same at the very end imho which is ‘okay’ but the middle rounds are the most fun imho.
You’d be buffing and nerfing cards in that system to such a degree that I think they’d lose identities at that point in time. It is my belief, but obviously not yours, that you can’t balance a card game into utopian bliss because, flatly, CCGs are about finding ways to leverage synergies or power curves together and some deck will do a certain style the best imho.
Every CCG I know of does this but we have other decks develop as well, at times, which were probably not as designed into existence.
I’m glad you’re enjoying BGs and I think they’re a good ‘side game.’ Myself, I’ve personally just put more time into MtG:A as I find that to be my favorite CCG right now (haven’t gotten into Legends of Runeterra beta yet)
playing since closed beta. I know all about it. That’s why I am happy there’s bg now, no need to grind hs or play any of their other cancer modes.
oh yae sure, solo adventure was fun. But ladder is the same hell as it always was.
Don’t tell anyone, but initially it was just a troll post XD. Although it was very convenient, cause I always felt kinda like that about ladder, so thank you for providing copy-pasta material.
As some other people mentioned:
Not everyone is a streamer or no-lifer to grind cards do the research and build counter decks (that still lose 50% of the time to shaman - seen this on multiple streamers TRYING to design shaman killers, only to lose spectacularly anyway)
As mentioned by other people, and STRESSED by me a lot:
Is it fun to play ladder with 2 decks for years? For me no. F ladder. Hello battlegrounds. I’ll just rant here and leave shamemanstone to you, never to return to ladder (hopefully).
Whatever dude, as I said these kind of conversations follow hs since beta. You enjoy ladder good for you. I honestly can’t understand it.
Arena was fun at times, even neutralstone arena was a lot more fun for me than ladder, cause again it was different deck everytime. Now bg is even better.
playED arena most of the time, cause that, even at the times of neutralstone was still more enjoyable than ladder. Now I got bg, Not touching hs anymore! as long as bg lives.
Meta didn’t change …ok.
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That might sound strange for you, but the attitude mostly because I am a big fan of Blizz, and I love HS. If I don’t care about the game I just leave it be, never touching forums (could never understand people who hate on the game and still post on its forums…)
I DO care, that’s why I post, always hoping someone might hear and might change something (not that it happens very often, if at all, but one might always hope).
From my side its always friendly mocking, blaming, making fun of, but even then, I do try to provide information WHY what’s happening to the game is bad. In my humble opinion, obviously.
Like here for example they do a lot of stuff right with bg, and that was pointed in multiple threads, yet there are some serious problems with the mode and I still “hate” on devs for that. Hope they see the hate and work on the problems bg has. If not, I’ll just leave for other games again and never post here anymore.
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As for hs, “hate” is pretty obvious. STOP Fing MAKING 1-2 (4 whatever limited number) meta! Freaking give us freedom to build decks with ENTIRE pool of cards, not just 30 pre-defined chosen ones with 2-3 tech includes…
Asking for someone to be fired, not because they’re bad at their job but because some random player has a perceived issue with something in a video game, is completely pathetic and reprehensible.
Sadly it has nothing to do with balance. Its just how Blizz manages its games now: milking money by creating op stuff and a lot of crap stuff and making a casino out of it. And its not only Blizz, most AAA companies do that, its just I don’t care about most of those companies, but I do care about Blizz, been playing their games since lost vikings. Sad it all devolved from passion for games to passion for money.
Nah mate. Path of exile is good example of actual passion for games. Those people give actual free game to people wo any money at all (yeah you can still pay for cosmetics or donate if you want - but those are optional).
HS (and modern Blizz) is nothing like that. They give “semi” free stuff that still requires some investment ideally. They implement it almost perfectly: drag you into the game, give some free stuff, then wreck you completely with meta and provide you with casino option to pay to win. Obviously there’s always gonna be someone getting lucky at any point of the game, and someone might still grind the heck out of the game and still kinda play it free, but Blizz sill milks tons of money.
Not to mention their investments into the mode, and even into hs I cab bet were really minimal. It could have been a completely free side project for Blizz. But they just decided to milk it as they do now with all their games. You must be either really blind to not see this, or you are just trying to target me specifically with your weak attempts to get a revenge for my honesty in your thread.
Making and enjoying are two different things. There’s meta (currently with 1 viable deck) usually with 2-3 viable decks, everything else is trash tier. But trash tier decks not even the problem, the problem is META DECKS (instead of cards).
Read the thread, already explained it multiple times…
now be a good troll and troll somewhere else.