Hi!
It has been a long time since I have had so much fun with an expension. I love the design and my favorite deck is the Paladin Tourist Mage.
However, I am concerned about how the game will be adjusted b classes with the tourist mechanism
I have heard several content creators ask for the nerf of the Concierge because the Mage Tourist Druid playing Spellpowers and Chalice is frustrating and possibly too strong and that Concierge should be targeted. But it is also the keystone of my favorite deck, which is not even strong or problematic.
If Druid is a serious concern, should we adjust his ramp ability or the Dragon package that really complement perfectly the early game and stop the aggression making the Mage spell damage and Chalice kit without weakness instead of nerfing cards like Concierge and Chalice that are also key in Spell Mage or Raylla Mage that are not problematic (yet)?
You do know the enter key exists right?
You do know the problem with the deck is that because of concierge they are getting plus 2 or 3 spell damage and casting Seabreeze Chalice 9 to 12 times on turn 3 or 4.
They aren’t ramping to 10 mana they are killing on turn 4
They aren’t playing a 3/4 taunt that refreshes mana, THEY ARE WINNING ON TURN 4
this is why concierge is being asked to be addressed and is the problem card, the dragon package might be a little over-tuned but it is not what is creating NON-GAMES from existing.
Do you even play the game or follow the meta? How can someone be taken seriously when they say “If druid is a serious concern”. LMAO.
As if starting the thread saying he plays mage/paladin tourist didnt answer that. No he doesnt. Has to be playing casual if he gets away with that deck.
Another issue with regards to ramp is when warrior does it. Turn 3 or 4 unkilliax on board followed by 15 more of them later.
And 13 mana in case you need to zola/boomboss/fizzle later.
You do have a point, don’t mind the jerks. The combo is certainly a problem and nerfing it would deal with it easily. But I have been spamming this deck like I haven’t any deck for a long time and let me tell you, the combo doesn’t need to be the target of the nerf.
Ramp isn’t the issue here, they don’t really care about it; it’s just a nice upside of the dragon package. But the dragon package is absolutely fundamental in giving this deck a positive winrate. Without it, this deck’s board is non existent and can only rely on Swipes to survive. The other issue is, there’s no easy way to nerf this package. Maybe nerfing the 1-drop dragon could hit both this deck and zarimi priest at the same time, and maybe a nerf to nest matron on top. That could work and spare mage getting hit for the sins of druid.
If I had to bet tho, I imagine Concierge will just get the no less than 1 treatment and that’ll be the end of it.
Well…
The dragon package still strong basically.
I don’t think it is wrong but maybe tone down the refresh isn’t that bad of an idea.
The level of absurdity that free taunt can put up isn’t something to be surprised and from it that the deck survability comes.
Just 3 mana refresh would be enough to make people atleast think about what they play turn 4.
You’re exaggarating, lol
He’s not killing you turn 4. If he is, you should mulligan better or swap decks. Nevertheless, it’s still broken.
It does ramp, and it used that mana advantage very soon, unlike before. Zilliax doesn’t even get played most of the times
Tonights recipe
An beverage opening of a 1 cost chalice while holding the 1 cost naga in hand
For the appetizer our chef will be playing le Consierge which reduces your beverage cost by a dollar making it free. Mmm free alcohol with your meal. Delish!
Naturally with all that inebriated liquid for free you now start tossing your bottles in all directions dealing between 4-6 damage multiple times thanks to an assist from your Abused Naga Children who want Daddy to stop drinking but are completely unable to prevent you from carrying out this embarassing display
It does not matter if the restaurant is filled with patrons your alcoholic abuse destroys everyone in sight including your significant other across the table
And to complete this gourmet meal, the dessert being served Spam de la Emote served with a delicious creme de boolshiet.
I mean, he’s not exaggerating. Turn 4 combo Druid OTKs can happen, even if you are playing curve minions on 1/2/3.
You can go to reddit and see the posts showing you.
Yes, it’s a high roll. Yes, it does happen albeit rarely.
Turn 5/6 OTKs are way more common. I have been killed on turn 5 twice and turn 6 half a dozen times already and I was playing minions every single turn and removing minions. They just drop the spell damage copy and it’s game over on 5/6.
It’s definitely getting nerfed, of that we can all agree on. I just hope it gets the “not less than (1)” nerf instead of a mana nerf.
You’re a good player, but just outright wrong. It will be nerfed. Allowing OTKs on turn 4 makes for an awful game, and they do happen.
Even turn 6 is WAY WAY WAY too early for a combo OTK win to be happening that often. It immediately points to a problem in game that should have been addressed before release or on Day 1.
It wasn’t that hard to see that Druid combo OTK deck if you even attempted to look at the cards in a combo.
Breeze needs to be 2 mana.
Concierge and Druid spell needs to have reduction of spells capped to 1.
So never a 0 mana spell.
I can do the same with Sludgelock when I highroll. Nerfs when???
That’s right about the time when I end 90% of my wins xD
And if you highroll while your opponent is standing afk, it should always happen
They didn’t stand AFK. You are once again just horribly wrong. They played a turn 1, 2 , and 3. Your take on this is demonstrably wrong multiple times now.
“Hurr Durr I played my minions and still died! Hurr Durr, nerf, cheating, hackers, hurr durr”
Nice strawman AND moving the goalposts. These posts made me lose a ton of respect for you. You normally have decent posts but this is sad. I hope you reflect on it.
The only thing I have to reflect on is the fact that, like sheep, people cry against decks they don’t know how to play against but which can be played against, and simply let the really broken decks exist expansion through expansion, because they’re either too low rank to face good players who abuse really broken decks, or because their opponents don’t know how to pilot those decks.
As it stands, Pirate shaman will get a free pass to another couple of weeks of easy rank ups. Absolutely brainless and broken deck which noone even mentions.
Druid has been broken for a while now, and they still haven’t hit what they have to - the ramp/dragon package. Nerfing the chalice or concierge will only ruin it for Mage which is struggling even with those two “broken” cards in their deck.
Am I a person whining who doesn’t know how to play? I am currently Diamond 1 after 2 play sessions and have been top 500. Losing turn 4 from an empty board after playing minions for 3 turns feels bad. It is a bad player experience. The amount of people complaining about it makes it a fact. You can disagree, but it is still a fact.
Pirate Shaman and OTK Druid can both be broken and create bad experiences. These are not mutually exclusive.
FINALLY you say something worth actually interacting with. The dragon package has always been the problem for multiple reasons. It allows them to completely reclaim the turn they spent ramping by refreshing 4 mana crystals. It also sets them up to slam 1 mana spell damage minions for the combo.
I know it is hard to admit being wrong, but you acted childish for no reason WHILE making fallacies. You want people to respect your opinion? Be better.
No, it doesn’t. It just means that amount of people is complaining about something, that’s all. As per usual, they don’t know enough about the game for their complaints to be the deciding factor.
And yet you’ve still interacted with me before that? Eh…
Now, why would I want clueless people to respect me? My self-respect is worth more to me. You might want to google “narcissism” and learn a thing or two about yourself.