I have a high legend rank in standard. And what should be a zero rank in wild because I never played it.
I’m in wild bronze 10 and trying to play garbage decks for achievements but keep getting matched against legend players obliterating me (guessing by cardbacks and what look like filled meta decks). I’m not even trying to win or attacking them - just trying to play my crap and never get a chance to before dying.
Where are all the beginner players lol. I don’t get it.
No, they’re separate
Okay, thanks. Well then I have no idea whats going on. But if this is what actual new players face too that is some terrible matchmaking design.
Citation needed
Since MMR is hidden and determines matchmaking by skill, having Standard and Wild completely separate would be stupid. A player who is high Legend in Standard and has zero Wild games shouldn’t be matched against “the beginner players” in Wild.
They might be shared, but are you sure they aren’t just very broken decks? That format has crap like OTKs on round 1 so you will be seeing “gold tier in standard” people that can easily kill a player going legend in standard (what kind of rank do you mean high?).
Don’t think it’s super relevant but I’m currently at ~300 in standard. Last season highest was 138.
At low MMR in standard you’re playing against mostly core and random card decks that have no synergy or threat and the people piloting make tons of super obvious mistakes.
I’m not seeing any of that at my “low mmr” in wild. It’s obviously people with coherent decks and making what seem like sensible plays.
I’m not complaining; just surprised. I finally got one of the achievements done after losing like 20 games in a row before i could live to turn 7 to complete it… Was probably a total waste of time but i was determined to see it through at that point lol 
Maybe it’s only partially like that. Like if you NEVER play wild and just started it might do a “copy” of the MMR at first,
but then if you lose a lot with the achievement deck it starts holding a different MMR in both.
Because when I place legend in standard and wild I sometimes place in completely different percentiles of the legend player base (based on 3rd party reporting) depending on things like which format I played more of in the last month, if I did anything like deck testing in ranked (which is usually the case with standard since it has no casual mode), or when I have a bad month and and my W/L dips in one format comparatively to the other.
Also, Blizzard already has implementations to detect items in player collections and uses that as part of matchmaking determinism, per the literal patent that they submitted detailing these technologies.
The real stupid thing here would be having two entirely separate formats with different metas, card pools, and performances determining the other. I would question how the OP knows they are being matched against legend players in the first place.
Most games also have a base player MMR used to isolate performance when entering into a ranked environment. It’s how new accounts on LoL can get out of their placements and get placed right into gold while older accounts with diminished MMR can go 9-1 in their placements and still get placed in bronze or silver.
Numerous legend cardbacks for what that’s worth.
Edit: also saw a number of 500 and 1000 win portraits. These are not entry level no MMR players.
People can obtain the legend card back from years prior. That’s not necessarily an indication they they are currently legend. Many Wild players have played HS for a long time, which in itself gives an advantage but not in the same proportions as actually being good at the game as of current.
If my friend came back into the game after like 8 years of not playing, he would not be a legend player even though he got legend before he left and therefore also have the card back.
Portraits are not an indication of MMR either.
Regardless, players like that should not be at the very beginning of ranking. There is certainly nothing new about them. If it actually is the beginning of ranking which is what this thread was asking.
Based on the replies, I have come to the conclusion that some MMR is shared in some way between the two modes.
You are conflating your own ranking with being a beginner ranking. Also, again, people’s MMRs are not determined by card backs or portraits. You do not know a player’s MMR unless you have some indication of where yours might be, and currently the only way of making guesswork of that is if you have a recent legend rank to compare the metric to other legend players. Basically, you can’t judge another person’s MMR unless you are a recently high ranked player.
Based on what? Do you only play against Legend players in both modes? You need to elaborate because your conclusion seems like copium. Like I said, I use recent rankings in legend to compare what percentile of the players I compare to. If I neglect playing ranked in one format, I see totally different levels of play in the other. From my experience the two MMRs are completely separate. What is more likely is that you have a hard MMR (made by your W/L over time) and your soft MMR (likely from the current season).
You are completely missing the point.
Matchmaking is not by rank. Matchmaking is by hidden matchmaking rating. That’s what MMR stands for.
Players “like that” absolutely should be at the same MMR as you. You are a Standard Legend player. You literally have the same Legend cardback that you’re complaining about. You have the skills to understand the meta and its netdecks. You are complaining about facing an equal.
It’s not unfair that the system is matching you against stronger than beginner Wild players because you yourself are stronger than a beginner Wild player. What’s unfair is what YOU want. What you want here is to smurf on weak Wild players; you want opponents significantly below your own skill level. The system should prevent you from having what you want here, and it does. Stop being a crybully.
You guys are hopeless. I am neither complaining nor questioning the system. I was asking IF THAT was the system. That’s all. You can save everything else.
Well, I can say that it SHOULD be the system. Whether Blizzard is competent enough to actually implement it or not is a bit of an open question, unfortunately. I wish I knew for sure.
i think ive read somewhere the ones sharing mmr are wild and twist
pretty sure they are seperate, but you don’t start with 0 mmr. you start with a mmr based on your performance in the tutorial decks and the new players ranked.
so if 2 years ago you won your first 4 games out of 5 in ranked before graduating out of baby ranked and won 80% of your tutorial games, your mmr is probably higher then 50% of wild.
I haven’t tried to win in standard for perhaps a year but I still win some games and my mmr does not feel like its legendary based on wild.
Well of course they’re at least somewhat separate. I’m just saying that having them completely separate would be kinda silly.
I really doubt mmr is shared between wild and standard. I took a 5 year break and then another 1 year break during titans. I finally hit legend last season after ~250 games. Changed some cards during the last stretch for 75% winrate form d5 to legend. Portrait grinded 180 games with 55% winrate afterwards.
This month I’ve been playing weapon rogue in wild, and I annihilated the competition on the way to legend. A lot of homebrew stuff and something different almost every game. However, the next day I started running into the turn 4 druid otks. Now it’s all disgusting wild meta decks.