I genuinely believe that Blizzard underestimated how popular Battlegrounds was going to be, and brought out that mode as a way to retain players who were getting bored with standard/wild.
When they realized how much revenue they lost on this mode, they decided to NEVER let anyone who play’s bg’s BUY ANYTHING WIHT GOLD EVER!!!
My theory isnt out to find proof, it is self evident in the plain language of how Ive already explained how the logical approach to hero selection works. Ive explained, in detail, how it deals out the heroes to select in a fair and random manner, takes into account if a player has the perks or not, and how much sense it makes to do it that way, and how simple the coding for it would be as opposed to any other method.
Now, have you even done any of the above that I have? You havent even explained your theory, let alone made it make any kind of sense.
Ive been civil, courteous, and logical in my explanation. I feel like there’s an echo going on because of the maturity of the posters around lately… but the mature way of replying to how I clearly laid out my theory of how it works is to engage in an intellectually honest discussion about it. Not to resort to insults or repeating your own thus far unsupported by any explanation “theory.”
But if all you can do is be stubborn and claim p2w over and over and insist your idea of how it works is any better than my theory, without even being able to explain it in detail, and just claim I have no proof, when you do not have any for your theory either, is just intellectually dishonest and I can see engaging in any further discourse with you is going to be in vain.
My skull is not so thick that I resort to such things like insults in order to support my theory. I provide logical examples that are simple and easy to follow. I know my theory is conjecture, just as your’s is. The difference is that I can clearly explain my theory, and explain how it remains fair to all despite owning the perks or not.
likely, they just like money…
Anyway, point stands,
P2W features, nothing to spend the earned gold on…
Jokes on you, Im content with with my 5.9k rating as it means I dont get into lobbies with the obscenely unfair matchups where anyone from 6K and up can end up in a lobby with me. So my matches are genuinely fun, and arent predictable, and isnt just a race to t6 and high rolling for the favorable trinkets and if they dont appear people just bail like how the quests were treated.
I dont mind bailing on a lobby if Im not offered the tribe I wanna play at that moment. Or even if I am, not offered a hero that can take advantage of them in any appreciable way.
But it is always a fun moment when your two choices on an undead/beasts lobby are either Drek’Thar or Vanndar Stormpike. lol.
But No, you wont ever seemingly get anything to spend gold on for a purely BGs player. Either horde it up (pun intended) or just spend it on other cosmetics in the modes you dont play. I personally enjoy checking the class hero alternates you can pick a favorite(s) of and sometimes you see a few available for gold. Some even come with a card back too, so a lil more bang for the imaginary gold buck. Prices range between something like 1600 or 2500 etc. I think i bought the Shaman MoP God guy for my last cosmetic. No idea what his name is lol.
There’s nothing unfair. They’re just good players. Also what is fun is subjective.
E.g. I find it dull to win with an easy to play overpowered deck in constructed,
I currently lose a lot because I wanted a deck type I haven’t played before.
And again, it ultimately doesnt change much other than making me bail from a game 1 fewer time out of 5 games on average. (Going from 3 out of 5 are bails to just 2 out of 5 are bails). But the end of the season ranking still remains roughly the same even with that 1 out of 5 difference. Its really not a p2w feature. if you think it is, then the marketing is working on your mind like the candy at the checkouts in a store. You have an impulse to buy something you didnt go in for at all and the ease of it being right there overwhelms your normally rational decision making ability and so the marketing works on you. If you let yourself be tricked into thinking having the extra choices is a pay to win thing, then you are just one of the “impulsives” their marketing is designed for I suppose.
it doesn’t change anything for you…Let me be clear for YOU…
For the rest of humanity it’s p2w, but for you it’s not…Because you bail out of comps you don’t agree with…but for the rest of the players they would like even odds for every comp ( balance), but for you it’s not p2w because you bail out of anything you don’t like or can’t play…So extrapolating that out, for you a game to be p2w would be to own every game with every comp ( which for us pleabiens this means balance), for you it means that it reduces the chances the get a bad comp…Which I would agree for the first time that it is true, I would concur if every comp would have a fair chance but it will rule out the winner…In an utopia, every comp has fair chances and it’s given to the player the choice of making mistakes of playing outright better than others, but here is the reverse, we have choices to make (most of them really do not matter but that’s another discussion) , and choices we can purchase to make those choices that we make even better…
So let me make it simple clear in a simple reverse scenario, if you would play poker let’s say, but instead of having 2 cards given to you, you would have 4 and you could choose 2 from that that you would like, it would make it pay to win…The rest of us are given what it is given, you have 2 options more outside of that…It doesn’t matter if the algorithm works as I say or how you say it works, you still have an advantage…That’s what you don’t understand, because you simply know that “well if I don’t like what it is offered I just bail out…”
That really doesn’t matter in a fair to play environment…Even if you put it like you said, it only reduces the bailing out mechanism, if you put it that way, paying 15$ still gives you the chance to bail out less and play more games…Which is what proves the point that you so stuborn to understand, and I am too old to explain in programing …
P.S it’s the first time I am trying to explain anything outside of how Blizzard rigs the games…It’s the first time, that it’s out in the front how it happens. Because for this there is actually proof…the fact that you think it only reduces your lazy as@ form bailing from 2 out of 10 games instead of 7 out of 10 games, just proves that paying lessens the burden…
But it doesnt increase my chances of winning just because I bailed out of 1 less lobby. I have just as much a chance to not get top 4 even if I only bail out of 2 in every 5 matches instead of 3/5… but it doesnt make a straight equation into a guaranteed win in that 1 extra game i didnt bail on. I can lose all 3/5 of the matches in the bottom 4 even with the 2 extra hero picks just as easily as I could win the alternative 2/5 matches without the extra heroes to pick from. It doesnt cause those effects.
Correlation =/= causation.
Its a glorified casino game. A really fancy version of a Slot Machine Video Game playing itself as some kind of card game. The refresh Button is merely the lever you pull to make things spin and land on random results and you endlessly hope they are in your favor.
I can only say this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlQeh0K20F4) take your time to digest the youtube and come back when you have a better perspective…Don’t turn tu be Curivore in disguise…
Also to your first few words, yes it does…Go into bg, conceed 5-6 matches, play one match you will see how the luck changes in that one game…Then play normaly a few games, and you will see how your luck declines, then reset the cycle and see what happens :)…I am 100% sure you will want to agree with yourself that nothing happened but deep down you will see the effect.
From what I can see in what you post, is that you bail when you don’t get something that you enjoy playing, like battlecry trigger hero with quillboar let’s say, which is why you don’t see the effects…Me and my friends who are playing whatever it is served as heroes in whatever comp we get, we see the issue…And people who are playing like me at 9k without battlepass saw it and discussed it long before this post was ever done
To the refresh button whatever casino thing, no, and no. The refresh button currently should be used as little as possible, and no, it doesn’t randomized stuff…It’s not my first game when I play Quillboard hero with 0 quillboars offered…While others get quillboars and me, I get offered mecs.
If something hurt your feelings, bring arguments. Nobody cares you are filled with empty rage against a random person they don’t know.
You are clearly one of the lost souls that believes in the “rigging” of the game and think that simply conceding 5-6 matches will affect the luck in the next one. No. It doesnt.
Does the previous coin flip you made affect your next coin flip in any way at all? No. It doesnt. There is nothing that the previous coin flip event in any measurable way can have any conceivable way of doing so. The number of rotations or the height it achieved have 0 affect on the next coin flip. The gravity the coin itself endures during the flips doesnt change. The light being reflected off the coin cannot impart any of that light onto the next flip to affect it either. Its just gonna be either heads or tails. And sometimes you get the same result multiple times in a row. But a pattern that is not. It is just as simple as that.
Your idea of how you think simply throwing matches so many in a row affect the luck in the subsequent match after all those intentional throws has as much merit as telling someone with a straight face they are saying something only a Scorpio or Aquarius would say based on the Moon being in the seventh house and Jupiter currently being aligned with Mars.
Freaking Clown Shoes thinking you have there.
They think it affects their luck if they lose 6 times in a row. I mean yeah it affects their “luck” metaphorically in the sense their MMR will drop a lot.
People have a hard time grasping the simple concept of the purpose of the MMR: basically if you win a lot → you will lose easily (and vice versa).
Maybe the changing of MMR is overtuned making people think “rigged!”. A short loss streak is probably very impactful on the MMR.
Its simply two sets of variables, one set I cannot do anything about or affect in any way. Another set is entirely up to my choices/inputs as to what those variables end up as.
I can make every correct/best decision I possibly can and the other set of variables can still give me all tails in terms of coin flips that match. Great example was when I played as the gambler hero, I finished as 2nd place playing the composition I did, but every single time I used my hero power and had to pick who i thought would win the next matchup, I got a big goose egg every time. I cant affect how that matchup actually goes, and the odds arent great that the entire match I would NEVER get a single one correct despite the evidence I based my picks on such as their unbroken win streaks until I picked them for my hero power wager lol. Pure coin flip 50/50 odds every time and its possible to just get tails every time despite it not being a super common thing. But I still took 2nd place despite it lol.
I dont cry rigged or say mmr this or that. Some things I can control, most things I cant. simple as that.
BTW some times you can “game” that Hero, e.g. you may be the loser on purpose yourself. It may be a good idea if it’s the 1st or 2nd round because you’ll only get little damage.
I just proved via a highly known streamer that the game is p2w and can only say that I am wrong in what I am thinking ?
Disregard my clown shoes bro, but take off that red nose you are wearing and put the make up down…What the hell makes you think that the games are not better after 5-6 concedes, have you tested it out and didn’t ended up to be like I said ?
Also you damn lunatics keep on bringing that coin argument like games are some kind of magic 50/50% luck based decisions which they are not (maybe in reality what you say with the coin happens, but in computer applications it doesn’t)…Every game in some way is developed to have one reason, get you to spend money, in this one is a hidden mmr that affects the players you are faced with and what cards you could get…
The only games that might not be like described above are games who are pay once play forever, or that practice some sort of cosmetic shop…Not the ones that offer you the possibility to pay for rerolls or pay for custom made decks, or pay for decks to build your army.
It’s not my fault Blizzard injected you and Cirnivore with st@pid serum and you think the game is fair and it’s all about luck and skill…Also, compared to you at least Corivorus has a neuron that woke up and at least he sees that BG’s are p2w, which for you my friend is a long forgotten struggle that will never be resolved.
Please stop using whatever copium you are inhaling and start reading more or listening to people who actually have a say in this…Because if you don’t, you end up like Purnivore , thinking people have empty rage about people they do not know and giving themselves too much credit for the nothingness they are. So try to exercise actually listening to others.
P.S Barfivore, if you would have been a toiled , you would have been filled by now :)))…So that you know it’s not empty rage :))))
Just started paying some Bg’s…Ended up winning none from 9700 to 9k… Next game I had tripples comming like it was christmass…Was like the game knew what to give me…Crazy of this has worked, after 6 games the 7th was a winning, guess I flipped the coin or apples or whatever fairy tale you are saying above too many times.
no. you are proving my point, You wont encounter the same results over and over again coin flip after coin flip. for forever. sure you will have some stretches of all heads or all tails for a little stretch, but it wont stay that way for long. eventually as you keep flipping, you will get a different outcome than your small stretches of all the same results.
you wont have a predictable "im gonna flip tails 6 times in a row and watch me get heads on my 7th flip. " it isnt rigged like that. You absolutely COULD have flipped 7 times and the first 6 results happened to be all tails… but it isnt a reliable pattern you know can happen everytime everyday. thats my point. sometimes you win back to back or have a little winning streak, but eventually it ends and you lose. you cant predict it, you can only guess at it, or speculate at it, but what you suggest isnt reality.
Go flip a coin 7 times, write down your results, like
1 H/T
2 H/T
3 H/T
4 H/T
5 H/T
6 H/T
7 H/T
, and do it again tomorrow, and write those results, then compare the two days. you could easily have none of them line up as the same, or on a rare version happen to get a bunch to be the same.
Then on day 3 compare again, day 4. etc.
you will see your results will vary, not have any type of pattern at all that repeats in a predictable way. youll end up with some win/lose streaks, but they wont last long. eventually you end up flipping it in a non pattern the longer you keep doing this.
Games are the exact same as that. you win some you lose some.
You are such a nice and pleasant person. I think I know someone you’ll get along with greatly because they too attended the same “School of Hearthstone For Karens” that you did. you two can go off into the sunset with your conspiracy theories Thelma and Louise style… or maybe it was Beavis and Butthead? I cant remember exactly.
Get a hold of yourself, you are drifting away. If you want some french cries with that whine let me know.