I genuinely believe that Blizzard underestimated how popular Battlegrounds was going to be, and brought out that mode as a way to retain players who were getting bored with standard/wild.
When they realized how much revenue they lost on this mode, they decided to NEVER let anyone who play’s bg’s BUY ANYTHING WIHT GOLD EVER!!!
My theory isnt out to find proof, it is self evident in the plain language of how Ive already explained how the logical approach to hero selection works. Ive explained, in detail, how it deals out the heroes to select in a fair and random manner, takes into account if a player has the perks or not, and how much sense it makes to do it that way, and how simple the coding for it would be as opposed to any other method.
Now, have you even done any of the above that I have? You havent even explained your theory, let alone made it make any kind of sense.
So your proof is not having any proof and not even wanting to search for proof ?
Also I explained my theory, also Carnovare above told you that you are speculating meaning, implying that your theory sucks a@s…I did explained how it really works, explaining with a simple list and 2 players , how that dilutes the pool of choices, which is not even the problem, the simple fact you get to chose from 4 heroes expands your strategy given the tribes you have, which makes it p2w…
I also told you to check any youtuber on the planet that plays BG’s and they will have have a video about how this is p2w and how it works ( which all say the same thing I am trying to get through your thick skull but cannot do so), and you still refuse to do that, because your no proof theory, your “don’t want to search proof” theory to say it like that just sucks, and you don’t want to search proof because you know that you will be flooded with the coins reverse.
Ive been civil, courteous, and logical in my explanation. I feel like there’s an echo going on because of the maturity of the posters around lately… but the mature way of replying to how I clearly laid out my theory of how it works is to engage in an intellectually honest discussion about it. Not to resort to insults or repeating your own thus far unsupported by any explanation “theory.”
But if all you can do is be stubborn and claim p2w over and over and insist your idea of how it works is any better than my theory, without even being able to explain it in detail, and just claim I have no proof, when you do not have any for your theory either, is just intellectually dishonest and I can see engaging in any further discourse with you is going to be in vain.
My skull is not so thick that I resort to such things like insults in order to support my theory. I provide logical examples that are simple and easy to follow. I know my theory is conjecture, just as your’s is. The difference is that I can clearly explain my theory, and explain how it remains fair to all despite owning the perks or not.
likely, they just like money…
No, all the extra choices do is lower the number of lobbies one automatically bails on and goes to requeue again. For me when I would have the perks, I would bail on 2 out of every 5 lobbies right away as soon as I saw my choices of tribes and the heroes offered, in that order. Currently without the perks I am bailing on 3 out of 5 lobby after viewing the tribe options and then my 2 heroes to pick from. So its doesnt make it an automatic pay to win. It makes it slightly fewer lobbies bailed on at best.
Anyway, point stands,
P2W features, nothing to spend the earned gold on…
Some people don’t really want to be stuck at 4k bailing 6 matches before actually getting something decent…Which makes this situation more p2w…But you just cannot see it, because you bought into it and still suck at playing enough to bail from games.
Jokes on you, Im content with with my 5.9k rating as it means I dont get into lobbies with the obscenely unfair matchups where anyone from 6K and up can end up in a lobby with me. So my matches are genuinely fun, and arent predictable, and isnt just a race to t6 and high rolling for the favorable trinkets and if they dont appear people just bail like how the quests were treated.
I dont mind bailing on a lobby if Im not offered the tribe I wanna play at that moment. Or even if I am, not offered a hero that can take advantage of them in any appreciable way.
But it is always a fun moment when your two choices on an undead/beasts lobby are either Drek’Thar or Vanndar Stormpike. lol.
But No, you wont ever seemingly get anything to spend gold on for a purely BGs player. Either horde it up (pun intended) or just spend it on other cosmetics in the modes you dont play. I personally enjoy checking the class hero alternates you can pick a favorite(s) of and sometimes you see a few available for gold. Some even come with a card back too, so a lil more bang for the imaginary gold buck. Prices range between something like 1600 or 2500 etc. I think i bought the Shaman MoP God guy for my last cosmetic. No idea what his name is lol.
I despise leaving entirely, like you can still get a decent game out of whatever you get, it’s not like the Hero screen is the only determinator of the outcome…
There’s nothing unfair. They’re just good players. Also what is fun is subjective.
E.g. I find it dull to win with an easy to play overpowered deck in constructed,
I currently lose a lot because I wanted a deck type I haven’t played before.
I can see that for some, but that kinda playstyle isnt what i enjoy. “Make the best out of each lobby no matter what” isnt what I call enjoyable. Its essentially not very different from poker at that point.
I see the lobbies and what they offer as literally different card games at different tables. Some are playing 5 Card Draw, Some are playing BlackJack, some are playing Solitaire, some are playing some other casino regular card game I dont know the name of, etc.
And if I dont particularly feel like playing a lobby without beasts, thats no different than me declining to play Texas Holdem table. Id rather see if there is a BlackJack table i can enjoy instead (in my analogy blackjack would be a lobby with beasts in them). It isnt a negative thing to just keep on walking to the next lobby/table to one I wanna play that particular moment. Same as if Im in an elementals mood, I might go over to that texas hold em (elementals) table after I found and was done with my blackjack (beasts) table. I dont have to accept the first table as I enter the front door of the casino and never move on from it. And so I treat BGs the same way.
My time is valuable to me, and so I wont waste it on being forced to play with whatever Im dealt and just make the best of it. Im gonna be selective of the time Im willing to expend in the BGs. Whether its based on the tribes available, or the heroes i can pick from, both, or neither. lol. If I just dont see the “fun in it for me” then I keep on looking for one that does.
Which is why you p2w, you get 4 heroes, more choices less selections to be done…
And again, it ultimately doesnt change much other than making me bail from a game 1 fewer time out of 5 games on average. (Going from 3 out of 5 are bails to just 2 out of 5 are bails). But the end of the season ranking still remains roughly the same even with that 1 out of 5 difference. Its really not a p2w feature. if you think it is, then the marketing is working on your mind like the candy at the checkouts in a store. You have an impulse to buy something you didnt go in for at all and the ease of it being right there overwhelms your normally rational decision making ability and so the marketing works on you. If you let yourself be tricked into thinking having the extra choices is a pay to win thing, then you are just one of the “impulsives” their marketing is designed for I suppose.
it doesn’t change anything for you…Let me be clear for YOU…
For the rest of humanity it’s p2w, but for you it’s not…Because you bail out of comps you don’t agree with…but for the rest of the players they would like even odds for every comp ( balance), but for you it’s not p2w because you bail out of anything you don’t like or can’t play…So extrapolating that out, for you a game to be p2w would be to own every game with every comp ( which for us pleabiens this means balance), for you it means that it reduces the chances the get a bad comp…Which I would agree for the first time that it is true, I would concur if every comp would have a fair chance but it will rule out the winner…In an utopia, every comp has fair chances and it’s given to the player the choice of making mistakes of playing outright better than others, but here is the reverse, we have choices to make (most of them really do not matter but that’s another discussion) , and choices we can purchase to make those choices that we make even better…
So let me make it simple clear in a simple reverse scenario, if you would play poker let’s say, but instead of having 2 cards given to you, you would have 4 and you could choose 2 from that that you would like, it would make it pay to win…The rest of us are given what it is given, you have 2 options more outside of that…It doesn’t matter if the algorithm works as I say or how you say it works, you still have an advantage…That’s what you don’t understand, because you simply know that “well if I don’t like what it is offered I just bail out…”
That really doesn’t matter in a fair to play environment…Even if you put it like you said, it only reduces the bailing out mechanism, if you put it that way, paying 15$ still gives you the chance to bail out less and play more games…Which is what proves the point that you so stuborn to understand, and I am too old to explain in programing …
P.S it’s the first time I am trying to explain anything outside of how Blizzard rigs the games…It’s the first time, that it’s out in the front how it happens. Because for this there is actually proof…the fact that you think it only reduces your lazy as@ form bailing from 2 out of 10 games instead of 7 out of 10 games, just proves that paying lessens the burden…
But it doesnt increase my chances of winning just because I bailed out of 1 less lobby. I have just as much a chance to not get top 4 even if I only bail out of 2 in every 5 matches instead of 3/5… but it doesnt make a straight equation into a guaranteed win in that 1 extra game i didnt bail on. I can lose all 3/5 of the matches in the bottom 4 even with the 2 extra hero picks just as easily as I could win the alternative 2/5 matches without the extra heroes to pick from. It doesnt cause those effects.
Correlation =/= causation.
Its a glorified casino game. A really fancy version of a Slot Machine Video Game playing itself as some kind of card game. The refresh Button is merely the lever you pull to make things spin and land on random results and you endlessly hope they are in your favor.
I can only say this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlQeh0K20F4) take your time to digest the youtube and come back when you have a better perspective…Don’t turn tu be Curivore in disguise…
Also to your first few words, yes it does…Go into bg, conceed 5-6 matches, play one match you will see how the luck changes in that one game…Then play normaly a few games, and you will see how your luck declines, then reset the cycle and see what happens :)…I am 100% sure you will want to agree with yourself that nothing happened but deep down you will see the effect.
From what I can see in what you post, is that you bail when you don’t get something that you enjoy playing, like battlecry trigger hero with quillboar let’s say, which is why you don’t see the effects…Me and my friends who are playing whatever it is served as heroes in whatever comp we get, we see the issue…And people who are playing like me at 9k without battlepass saw it and discussed it long before this post was ever done
To the refresh button whatever casino thing, no, and no. The refresh button currently should be used as little as possible, and no, it doesn’t randomized stuff…It’s not my first game when I play Quillboard hero with 0 quillboars offered…While others get quillboars and me, I get offered mecs.
If something hurt your feelings, bring arguments. Nobody cares you are filled with empty rage against a random person they don’t know.
You are clearly one of the lost souls that believes in the “rigging” of the game and think that simply conceding 5-6 matches will affect the luck in the next one. No. It doesnt.
Does the previous coin flip you made affect your next coin flip in any way at all? No. It doesnt. There is nothing that the previous coin flip event in any measurable way can have any conceivable way of doing so. The number of rotations or the height it achieved have 0 affect on the next coin flip. The gravity the coin itself endures during the flips doesnt change. The light being reflected off the coin cannot impart any of that light onto the next flip to affect it either. Its just gonna be either heads or tails. And sometimes you get the same result multiple times in a row. But a pattern that is not. It is just as simple as that.
Your idea of how you think simply throwing matches so many in a row affect the luck in the subsequent match after all those intentional throws has as much merit as telling someone with a straight face they are saying something only a Scorpio or Aquarius would say based on the Moon being in the seventh house and Jupiter currently being aligned with Mars.
Freaking Clown Shoes thinking you have there.
They think it affects their luck if they lose 6 times in a row. I mean yeah it affects their “luck” metaphorically in the sense their MMR will drop a lot.
People have a hard time grasping the simple concept of the purpose of the MMR: basically if you win a lot → you will lose easily (and vice versa).
Maybe the changing of MMR is overtuned making people think “rigged!”. A short loss streak is probably very impactful on the MMR.