Corridor Sleeper: "Early access" means pay to win

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But my win condition is for them to Have 0 Health and 0 cards left and 0 minions on board and 0 cards in hand… otherwise it isnt really a win. its just a technicality where the game says you won or lost…

im kidding.

Sounds pretty obsessed to me if you gotta play a certain and very specific way, (Standard) (all cards can be crafted). If you werent obsessed you’d have a more laid back and easy going attitude about how to play. If things change over time an obsessed person will yell from the mountaintops that the sky is falling if the changes are true.

I may not be good at Hearthstone, but I do know this.

:musical_note:
You got to know when to hold ‘em
Know when to fold ‘em
Know when to walk away
And know when to run
You never count your money
When you’re sittin’ at the table
There’ll be time enough for countin’
When the dealing’s done

:musical_note:

When its all boiled down to the point that all irrelevancies are gone and what remains is a pure product in the crucible, is that Hearthstone is a Casino. Therefore a business, Not a Game, it just cleverly uses games to engage your attention, time, and disposable income. Nothing more, nothing less. If Standard/Wild/BGs/Merc/TavernBrawl were instead just a Blackjack/Roullete/Poker/Slot Machines/Bingo tables in a regular casino branded phone app that you can get to on a pc as well… I doubt anyone would take issue with the competitive tables had a required Buy In to play competitively. Thats why I dont see the issue you do. I see the product and business model for what it actually is, and not as I wish it would be.

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I’m not sure I understood your post completely, as your writing style is way too complicated, but in case I did, I have to disagree.

Basically what you’re saying is that it’s not a problem that f2p get blocked from the game which requires some sort of a buy-in because that’s how casino/poker games function. But that’s not really true.

In every game you want good players to play because it raises the standard and quality of the game, bringing in the best of the best, and best of the best tend to have the most money, anyway. That means that sometimes you accept wild cards into your game and/or offer sponsorships to them so they can have a chance to prove their worth.

And that works especially for online games. Without f2p players to raise the quality, awareness and competition of the game, the game wouldn’t survive. Not to mention that the people who pay expect some sort of advantage, and that advantage is non-existant if you don’t have f2p players to compare with.

Just my 2 cents, because I’ve seen numerous people trash f2p like they’re unimportant, when in fact they carry every game in existence. It’s just how it works.

You don’t have to take my word for it. League of Legends is the #1 eSport game and it’s completely f2p.

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Firstly, I play most of the different modes of the game. I do not “gotta play a certain and very specific way”. Its not about how I play the game, its about how blizzard monetizes it.

Are you saying I’m “obsessed” because I want the basic fundamental monetization principle of the game to stay the same as it has been for the last 10 years???

whatever…

I’m really trying to be nice to you, but you doubling down on calling me “obsessed” really isn’t helping.

I’m fine with the game changing over time, its the monetization changing that is the problem. For the first time ever, there is a hard paywall in standard format. That is what I’m pissed off about. I’m fine with evolving gameplay, but this is very different.

You are quoting a Kenny Rogers song from the 70’s to tell me that you think I’m fighting a lost cause and should just “fold”, because I don’t agree with your POV. You, a player who only plays casually, expects to win games just because you crafted what you think is an “I win” card, makes excuses about having a bad memory to explain why you’re so bad, but your problem isn’t remembering specific cards, its you’re such a bad player you don’t know when to use a board clear and how to avoid losing a game by walking right into one.

You have some nerve, I’ll give you that.

You obviously have no idea what a casino is. Are you even old enough to go in one?

A casino gives you the chance of WINNING SOME MONEY. Hearthstone does not.
Hearthstone is not something you can win money at, it is purely for entertainment.
That means (wait for it, you might struggle here)… ITS A GAME.

Hearthstone is not a business, it is a game.
Blizzard is a business. Hearthstone is a product. Its also a GAME.
Blizzard (the business) earns money by selling its product (games).
Businesses make money by selling products and/or services. They are not the same thing.

Which it isn’t.

Obviously. But it isn’t, so that’s irrelevant.

Listen to yourself. You’re telling me that if HS were a different thing, things would be different. Do you know how stupid that is?

You’re right about that, but you’re wrong about why you’re right. The problem is that you seem to think you can compare a game that is for entertainment purposes only with a gambling app that pays out prize money.

If you can’t tell the difference between those, you are beyond help.

No. You don’t. You think its the same as a gambling app.

Do you even know the difference between playing to win money and playing for entertainment? Because it appears that you don’t.

I get the feeling you’re probably not old enough to gamble, but whether you are or not, I suggest you avoid gambling altogether until you know the difference.

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If you cannot grasp when someone is using figurative language to explain a point, and your rebuttal is absolute literal “it is not that so you are incorrect” then you cannot grasp why a person uses figurative language in the first place. Are you sure you’re old enough to read on the internet yet? You seem to have no issue questioning my age about me seeing the game as a casino, but you do have a very large issue understand simile and metaphor and the most basic of figurative language, the “if:then” contingency.

You think money is the only thing a casino can reward as prizes? Have you never been to Chuck E Cheese’s? Or a General Mall Arcade? Reithoffer Interstate Fair? A Gas Station or a Bar in Louisiana? Not all casinos are the Las Vegas Strip style. People compete in ladder in order to get their prizes at the end of the month, no different than Chuck E Cheese Tickets, or Fair prizes once you played their games and won enough for the BIG stuffed prizes. Your many packs and epics and rares etc is no different than a cash payout from a Vegas Strip Casino. They are both rewards for your efforts in the establishment. My point is still standing, Hearthstone is no different than any other casino we run into on any given day. This one just seems to do a good job of making you think otherwise. I for one have never let it be lost on me that when queuing up for BGs it is a literal animation of a slot machine spinning. Seems like a strange thing to emulate if the devs didnt want to be seen as a casino like card game.

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The trouble is that your “figurative language” doesn’t explain anything. Its fine for creative writing, but for a discussion, its better to stick to literal language. That’s language that actually says what it is trying to say.

Also, for someone who claims to have a “memory problem”, you seem to have no trouble remembering and using a large vocabulary. Maybe your “memory problem” is also “figurative language” too.

And you seem to be quite proficient at mental gymnastics in order to back up your absurd assertion that "Hearthstone is no different than any other casino we run into on any given day."

TLDR: I’ve really had enough of your “figurative language” and mental gymnastics. Don’t you have anything better to do than trolling? Because that is what you are doing. Anyhoo, I’m not interested in feeding you any more. Grow up.

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Disagreeing with you is not trolling.