Conniving Conman Dodges Nerf again

I was just editing a post.

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/sigh

and now Iā€™ve proven my own pudding. Iā€™m ordinary tooā€¦

:wink:

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Combos of cards are finite but even more finite are the GOOD combinations of cards. Two good players can INDEPENDENTLY reach the same ā€œhomebrewā€ that becomes a netdeck.

In fact Iā€™m pretty sure for almost ALL archetypes if two good players start making for example a ā€œpain lockā€ they will have at least 80% of the cards being same or even more.

After a point the situation is simple because the cards for what you want to do are just very limited,

if the plan has to do something and that something has only 10 cards thatā€™s 33% of the deck locked.

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I disagree with you on this one, both in terms of what can be proven and general strategy.

Thatā€™s great and all, but youā€™re obviously cherrypicking a win streak. What is your overall winrate with the deck?

Obviously.

I decided to stop reading the post there. :smile:

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You mean this?

Because I have no idea what that is. It doesnā€™t even tell me what class you are playing, so for all we know thatā€™s you playing handbuff netdeck. You cut off lots of important information in your screen shot.

You literally cut off the part that would have showed deck statistics from HSReplayā€¦ as in if others were playing it, too. When itā€™s truly unique, it very clearly tells you it doesnā€™t have stats for the deck.

Yes, we are. You use HSReplay. It tracks all your games. Your data is in the pile, and you can find every deck with 200+ games. Thatā€™s how it works. Look it up. Iā€™m sure your rogue deck was there if you played enough games and Iā€™m sure someone else plays a list within two or three cards of exactly what you do.

Says the guy making up stories about his exploits but only showing us 50% or worse winrate decks.

Iā€™ve been on the same point throughout, youā€™ve been moving goal posts like a grounds keeper, though.

Canā€™t do that here. Swear words arenā€™t allowed.

Do you read them outloud to yourself? Do you imitate your father when you make the angry sounds? This really reads like you projecting here.

I have not made any assertions about my own rogue decks, but if I did you would be well within reason to ask for evidenceā€¦ just like people here have.

I donā€™t know where you make up this stuff in your head, but thereā€™s not a time sequence hereā€¦ rank order and chronological are not synonyms.

I match players in legend all the time before I get to legend. People with 11 stars play each other all month longā€¦ regardless of rank.

Youā€™re the one who doesnā€™t understand that every game you play with your homebrew and a tracker is dumped in the data pile at HSreplay.

Huh, Must be one of the others then.

Then how do you know you arenā€™t playing one if you never looked?

This is the part you just donā€™t like to hearā€¦ that youā€™re not playing some unique snowflake world beating unicorn deckā€¦ your deck likely within a couple cards of someone elses and that deck is in the stats on the big data sites if you and others use trackers.

At the end of all this you make claims you canā€™t back up, got called out on it, and doubled down on your misrepresentations while attacking everyone who called you out.

I agree here and said as much, but good luck getting people who throw out ā€œnetdeckā€ as an epithet to see this.

Go one step further: go to hsreplay, pick a class you want to play, sort decks by win rate, copy one that has 200 games and a high winrate, and youā€™ve now turned someoneā€™s sacred homebrew into a filthy netdeck.

Anything with more than 200 games is searchable.

I didnā€™t follow the link until just now. Just because Iā€™m lazy.

50% winrate. Thatā€™s not green against netdecks.

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Even less than 200. The old math teacher advice of ā€œwait for at least 40 to 80 samplesā€ isnā€™t that bad in this case, because hsguru stats appear to stabilize only after ~60 samples; itā€™s probably a huge misconception when people say ā€œthose are flukesā€; when something has thousands of samples it might be copy pasted by mediocre pilots (who often saw it at a streamerā€™s) so THAT might be bad representation of deck win rate.

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The biggest takeaway from my post is that they shared a screenshot of a 50% winrate deck, but cut off the part that would have proved it was (a) rogue and (b) a unique deck.

They chopped the ā€œdeck statisticsā€ link that would have showed match ups with other classes and winrate for players beyond themā€¦ which means it didnā€™t back up their point.

Their own screen grab proves theyā€™re full of beans.

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its weird reading all of the fox posts through quotes from people replying to him

it much easier if you just ignore fox, they just dont get it

me ive been legend once, which is good enough for me, and all my homebrews have failed

even my favorite homebrew i made the day they showed us front lines, is a failure, its fun, but its not good(yet)

though mark did just make a video for the bayfin change, which makes me think it could work again

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But theyā€™re the only station that lets ME decide! /sarcasm

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See? Wasnā€™t that hard to disprove afterall lol

And if you look at the image, it tells an even bigger story. Heā€™s only showing the top half where itā€™s win win win. Before that, itā€™s a massive stack of losses.

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Yes, he cut off the part that would have shown if others play his deck and his match ups against other classesā€¦canā€™t even be sure thatā€™s a rogue deck from the screen shot.

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This is false, you need to have the hsreplay deck tracker installed for your deck to show up on it.

ā€¦ which he doesā€¦ because he shared a screenshot from it allegedly of this deck which you can find here:

So my statement that his deck would be on there is valid.

You said any rogue deck with more than 200 games

Just curious hereā€¦ do you think it only tracks one deck each game? You are aware VS only tracks opponent deck wins and losses, right?

Iā€™m just saying all it needs is 200 tracked games to catalogue a deck, and thatā€™s factual.

Q: Do you only consider the decks your contributors play or do you also try to infer the decks of their opponents?

We only report on the decks of the opponents. This way, we provide an unbiased picture of what the meta looks like to a random ladder player. That is, what would the player expect to see as opponents.

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/drr/faq-data-reaper-report/

No itā€™s not. I think youā€™re mixing HSR and VS here.

Before the nerfs, conman had the 3rd highest drawn impact rating behind skyla and king tide on hs guru

After the nerfs, conman has the highest drawn impact rating by a large margin for BSM

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