Schyla attacked me, and from his statements I doubt his deck building skills.
You’re upset about the fact that someone was capable of things you weren’t, it’s a common human pattern. If someone said they lose 95% of their games you wouldn’t demand a screenshot of them, even though that would be one of the worst statistics in the entire world. But hearing that someone did something you and many people aren’t capable of hurts the ego, so suddenly you have to come up with tons of excuses to feed your denial.
Wrong. Like I said, you don’t understand the changes.
It does, and you can as well see this when you’re legend and see the ranks of your opponents. When you lose 10 matches as legend player there wouldn’t be any requirement to match you against Diamond → Platin → Gold all the way down if the ranks don’t have any meaning anymore and the game could simply match you against other Legend players that share your MMR.
This is a you problem then, I face 90% netdecks.
Choices aren’t really as much limited as the current available netdecks imply - by far not.
Sure, because some day someone would think: “wow, this guys deck was awesome, let’s copy that and upload it to a netdeck website” and out of nothing, 100.000 people played and upvoted it so that it actually ends up at the top of the list, as if he was a famous streamer, right?
My last rogue deck was a couple of days before the Mini Set and Big Spell Mage came out, so that won’t work without adjustments towards freeze and the BSM - which might require a bigger rework. I wouldn’t do that now as we’re looking at an entirely new meta in a couple of days and I’m saving up dust for the new expansion.
But I had 70% Winrate with it and hit legend before the BSM came out. Then I faced that archetype like 5-6 times in a row because everybody played it and I went away and started my next homebrew project with other classes.
So don’t argue about it being strong now, when it obviously isn’t, and Mage is far from being dead, if anything, it got buffed this patch.
Also, the period before BSM? That was the gold period for deckbuilding, considering that even I, a notorious netdecker who mains one class and 3 decks (or rather, mainED, since those are now killed, murdered in this patch, remorselessly - is that even a word?), managed to build a few 60% winrate decks, which is unheard of for me. I never even really tried doing it before and now it suddenly worked.
Anyway, yeah, unfortunately, it doesn’t work for me anymore. Nothing does. As usual, when the meta gets shaken up, I need more time than average player to adjust.
Pity you don’t have anything right now. It’s times like these when I’m desperate for something new. Later, when you do have something, chances are I’ll have it, as well.
It is, I see tons of potential, I will just don’t waste my dust 2 weeks before a new expansion comes out. If I had it, I would have already built it. I’ve been playing almost exlusively homebrew decks for the past 10 years in Hearthstone so I got a good feeling for what’s possible and what’s not.
I wouldn’t say so. The golden period for deckbuilding has been over since everyone and their grandma have to deal with highlander decks.
I have, but for other classes. This is not one of my best decks since I built it from the cards that are left after dusting and preparing my collection for the upcoming expansion, but it brought me to Legend this month and I was able to win with it against BSM, Highlander Warrior and so on. I had a 55% winrate when I reached legend, including the defeats from the prototyping phase where I developed the deck in ranked.
From D5 to D2 I won 13 out of 15 games.
I couldn’t quite sustain the 55% as the opponents grew stronger, because I don’t have resources to further adjust the deck, but its (imo) a lot of fun. I think it can be entertaining for the last 2 weeks if you’re desperately looking for something new.
Worth mentioning I swapped both Coconut Cannonneer later for 2x tidepool pupil so I’ve got more waves towards classes with a lot of board-clear, but both variants have their own advantages.
Here’s a replay against BSM: https://hsreplay.net/replay/CTtEqLYYQRvxZUoSDwPfvs
You’re still missing the original argument here. This dude is claiming he is green in every single matchup against all the meta decks, meaning he has the best deck in the game.
That’s really the point you should be arguing, because it’s provably false and unbelievably naive to claim, yet here he is.
I told him he’s not beating every single meta deck consistently, and he’s doubled down insisting he is. You should be attacking that point.
It’s some sort of last-minute-WinCon to even out the fact that Aggro Decks often burn out towards the end. If you only need one card with such a big bang-for-your-buck ratio, it’s an auto-include imo. And I wanted to use the two new free legendaries in it.
You only play it when you’re out of cards (or the state of the game allows it) and see if it can turn the match. Sometimes enemies are close to death but you can’t reach them for the final punch, Avatar tends to sometimes change that
Since you’re spamming the board with wave after wave your opponents will be pretty busy with that and it often slows down the entire process of whatever their decks do.
Check the first replay in my last post there you can see the Avatar in action against the BSM. It swallowed his entire Sunset Volley and forced him to trade instead of going face. It enabled me to finish him off after that. Nothing else would’ve allowed me to survive that turn.
I think I’m making a Renathal + Rogue tourist spin on this one
Core idea isn’t bad, but we need to cheat mana to have any chance in this meta
Also, this deck more or less depends on drawing 2 cards (1x Grillmaster, 1x Nexus) which is way too inconsistent
Your winrate is pretty bad for a legend climb this late into the month. The 13 wins in 15 games can be luck of the draw for the most part - I’ve noticed homebrewn decks tend to be much more streaky than meta ones, probably because of the inconsistency
Anyway, thanks for the deck and good luck on the ladder!
It’s not about the Avatar, like I said Avatar is just like launching your nuke when you’re out of options. The main concept of the deck is to early get small and big waves onto the board, make some of them survive, boost them with the Bot, the Aura + Warhorse Trainer and just finish them by T5-T6.
Both are not very important. Grillmaster is only in to draw your Avatar in case the game goes on longer and you haven’t got it yet, and Nexus just buffs everything along the way as you use your sunscreens. These are not your WinCon cards, more on the outer edge of importance.
It was 8 days ago, I ended up on 7k. The winrate is decent, especially considering that this deck is cheap asf. I didn’t do the math but it should be around 3-4k dust at max. If you beat some of the most expensive meta decks with it, win 13 out of 15 games and hit Legend, that’s pretty big value for how cheap this deck is.
And last but not least: The fun factor is extremely high. While many other decks play very slow and sloppy and you’re more preparing than anything else, with this deck every single turn is actual gameplay and strategic decisions. You’ll want to max any +1 even-so-small-looking damage point you can get and surprise your opponent with buffs, poker out his boardclears and so on.
You don’t. With 30% win rate a bot playing 24/7 will do it within the month; a player playing for 8 hours a day will do it with 40% win rate within the month; use that calculator of expected games and see (at primedope dot com).
In case anyone wonders why: it’s because of the rank floor: you may lose a lot but a large win streak can put you to Legend even if you lose a lot before the win streak or even after it and then you get a small streak again etc.
Very unlikely to happen, maybe in one out of 100.000 accounts.
If you’re having only 30% winrate it means you’ll be most of the time on Dia 5 with 0 stars and even if you get a win streak, statistically you’ll accumulate even more defeats right after that. Your win streak would require you to completely fly through while you’re
a) a bad player with 30% winrate and
b) get matched against harder and harder opponents, because you’re on a winstreak.
This means if you already had only 30% against the previous opponents, after winning 5 games in a row by accident and being matched against stronger opponents, your chance to win the match is even smaller.
What are you talking about. It’s the expected outcome so it WILL happen for illegitimate bots (or for most players playing for 8 hours a day at 40% winrate).
Use the calculator to reach Legend at primedope dot com and see for yourself.
I’m not seeing that screen shot of your tracker, so no you didn’t.
No, I don’t. I’m smart enough to know that someone can make their own deck and have it look very similar to other decks, you are apparently not. If anyone is confused, it’s clearly you.
Yes, Schyla is going to win the award for the most viscious poster any day now… No one attacked you, they called you out for making up stories. You just don’t like the fact that you have zero credibility with the people here, so you got agitated when we didn’t accept your fairy tale as fact.
If you could actual show any indication that you were telling the truth about this topic, you might, might be okay to go here.
The fact of the matter is I’m not upset, I’m laughing… at you… alot.
The bottom line is all we have is “trust me bro, I made the best rogue deck” and I don’t trust you, broseph.
I don’t know how to explain this to you any clearer - rank is no longer used in the match. The post literally tells us that all match is by MMR, which is why the bots are all playing each other now.
Nope. Rank and MMR are not the same. I play legend players all month long. I was playing them in platinum and diamond, too. I posted about it after the changes. Rank does not matter.
This is exactly what it does now.
I think that’s because you think anything you aren’t playing is a net deck, but that’s a different discussion.
You lose more credibility every time you post, my dude. The pool of standard cards is actually finite, so the choices are quite literally limited. Never mind that cards typically have a synergy or two in a given deck, which would further reduce the quality choices.
I feel like you’re so deep in the hole that you think you can dig your way out the other side insted of admitting how deep it is and getting out of it.
No, that’s not what I think.
What I think is that if you found magic synergy in rogue, you wouldn’t be the only person on the planet to find it because you just aren’t that special. There would be lots of people coming to the same answers as you and the list would already be in action enough to be registered on lists. The thing is, if your list won that much and you use a tracker at all, someone would be playing your list already because you can click on them and find them.
I’m not shocked by your arrogance as much as I’m saddened by how smug you are in your ignorance.
You do realize any rogue deck with 200 or more games played is available on HSReplay, right?
Well I won’t scroll up and search it for you just because you’re lazy.
You seem not smart enough to understand that if I create a homebrew deck and don’t upload it to anywhere, you’re simply not able to derive from the non-existant statistics in netdeck lists, that the class in question has nothing else to offer.
Alone the fact that this constellation exists contradicts with your assumption.
Sounds like a poor excuse from a bully.
I couldn’t care less about credibility here, someone else came up with that subject. But I am not surprised that you’re mixing things up again since you seem to have a hard time following up with about everything else.
You’ve been swearing in your previous posts and sounded pretty angry while attacking me in your very first posts before we even had any convo, but keep telling yourself you’re not upset.
This counts for you as well. You act like your claim would be the blue sky, but actually your claim is that the sky is yellow. Where’s your proof? I am still waiting for screenshots from your 4-5 different and original rogue decks with 10 variants each and 50+ games played per deck.
Because if you didn’t do that, you could hardly claim that rogue is in a bad spot, if you didn’t even invest the bare minimum to figure out whether or not that’s actually the case, right?
You don’t have to explain, you have to listen for once. I explained to you how it works. I showed you a practical example of things that happen when you’re legend that prove that MMR doesn’t work the way you imagine it does. Otherwise, and I repeat myself here, the system would just keep matching you against other Legend players that share your MMR instead of chronologically putting you down the differerent leagues when you’re on a losing streak.
Thinking doesn’t seem to be your best trait.
That’s exactly what you think, otherwise you wouldn’t hold the naive idea that whatever homebrew you make will become a netdeck if it’s just good enough. You clearly have no idea how netdecks are made and what’s required for them to get even noticed, regardless of how good they are.
Nope, 14 of these cards aren’t in it.
Which brings us back to
I don’t look at netdecks and modify them. I design entire original decks from scratch. In almost 10 years of Hearthstone I have copied 3 netdeck-codes in total, that’s it.
Its not hard to see why Rogue is struggling.
First expansion of the year was a pirate package- no support given to it in the mini set
Second expansion rogue got slow burgle cards. Also pirate support given to shaman and demon hunter and not rogue. The tourist has no synergy with the warlock cards and the only playable warlock card just got nerfed xD. Health drink is not a good card; it is only used for guaranteed sustain in a class that lacks sustain. Even in the tess deck its used in its a liability because it clogs your hand.
Its confusing why they make these packages and then refuse to add more synergy to them later.
Look at the rogue decks that were good somewhat recently… just like weve seen so many times in the past, they revolved around strong neutral minions. Lamplighter and the Griftah deck were also both nerfed.
Both expansions this year for rogue didnt give the class anything meaningful to do
Toy boat is a card with tons of potential, but it is unrealized because there is nothing for rogue to do with it
I think people want to feel smarter than they really are.
“I made this deck” can have many meanings. Ultimately though, when you really think about it, there are only SO many card combinations one could POSSIBLY make. Mathematically deterministic. It’s a LARGE number, but it’s irrevocably finite and I bet there’s a LOT of cards that just. Don’t. See. Play. EVER.
Now you can be contrarian and be like “well Dimlhugion said Yeti doesn’t ever see play so imma make a deck JUST to spite him” but you’re missing the point when you do that. I’m literally influencing your decisions. Look at me. Now look at your watch. Now back to me. Now look at your phone, now back to me. Realize you don’t HAVE a watch. Keep looking at me. Back to your phone. Now back to me. You’re now breathing manually. You’re welcome.
And while you’re breathing manually, you’ve just wasted a few minutes reading words that don’t matter. You’ve learned nothing new and you’re still reading. You’re still welcome.
See? It’s easy to influence, hard to control. You’re STILL reading. And these are the kinds of people who proclaim “I’m a unique person and I have unique thoughts and I do unique things.” You probably shop at a supermarket, which is a supermarket packed with ORDINARY things that ORDINARY people buy. That’s why it’s THERE in the MARKET for MANY people to buy. You’re STILL breathing manually.
The point is never to be like “oh look, I changed ONE card and now it’s homebrew.” If you do that, just keep breathing manually because there’s nothing else for you here. You might go the ball game and smile.
What’s far more interesting is realizing I have no point to this entire post.
EDIT: Fox, I see you replying and to save you some time: don’t take anything I just said in here seriously.
