Sure, they’re playable. Sure, some decks that Rogue has might do fairly average in this meta.
But by no stretch of any imagination is this true:
It’s completely rejected by every stat line out there. Rogue is in one of the worst spots compared to every other class.
Even if Rogue had THE best deck in the meta, it still wouldn’t be true. Some classes have 5+ very playable decks right now. Rogue isn’t even in contention here.
I feel that. Only reason i was playing highlander was to have a chance vs all the board in a can cards.
Even mech rogue kinda got nerfed since the demon is 2 cost now
Paladin has been doing this for years and crickets???
2 patchs in a row lmao.
Wait a sec theres another class besides Mage and Rogue that can play Conman, nah its just a coincidence.
Carry on with your outrage.
For sure man. Some things can be playable…meaning they might be in the Tier 4 and Tier 3 spot.
But when every other class has 2+ different decks in the Tier 2-1 range, it’s a joke to claim Rogue is in a great spot. It makes no sense at all. Rogue is battling for WORST spot right now of all the classes.
Yea i definitely noticed that last month especially. Renethal helped because it slowed down the meta.
But with the nerfs today aggro is primed for a resurgence. I expect to see aggro decks make some moves up the tier list over the next few days
I don’t know about next few days. Definitely on expansion release.
Right now, the aggro stuff is in the toilet. The 3 worst performing classes OVERALL right now are DH, Rogue and Priest. Renathal wasn’t helping DH aggro out, so it’s now in a worse state, Rogue was really relying on early Mech scam wins and that just got dwindled down and Priest was using the overheal aggro package.
Despite the nerfs to some late game stuff, it wasn’t really a nerf to late game stuff…it was a nerf to late game stuff that came down too fast. That now allows other late game stuff to breathe more, not necessarily let aggro breathe.
Once Renathal rotates back out and the expansion comes out, aggro stock goes up.
Right now we will see a resurgence of “late game” decks that can breathe a little more now that a lot of scam decks just got hit. And many of those late game decks are control decks, and control has little to no problem with aggro.
Maybe follow your own advice first.
The argument started with me saying that I actually do beat these (plural) decks. I never stated “only 2 of them”.
Then you replied with
Only to follow up with
You slowly moved the goalposts and ended up arguing against your own strawman.
I already did that, speak for yourself.
No, you can’t. If you’re at Diamond 5 you need a winrate higher than 50% otherwise you won’t go anywhere. 40% winrate means you’ll lose 6 out of 10 matches.
14100 posts in this forum and you don’t even know how ranked works, jeez.
Yeah, except that you’re wrong.
You’re falling for the same logical fallacy again.
Popular streamers not building rogue meta decks =/= rogue class being in a bad spot.
That’s like saying Highlander Warrior can’t exist before someone invented it. It either happens or it doesn’t. The very few people designing decks with a large enough audience for them to become noticed aren’t logistically capable of designing, prototyping, thoroughly testing and refining every single possible cominbation with every class.
One evening streamer A decided to go out with his friends instead of trying to design a new deck formula, and he forgot about it the next day, so the deck was never created in the first place. But in an alternative timeline where he did it, it would’ve become one of the strongest decks in the meta.
So what you see in official lists is only a little fraction of what’s possible. Other people build very powerful decks and just don’t share it with the world, these decks don’t get popular, yet they exist. They don’t get popular because they aren’t built by people with 100k followers to spread and upvote it, not because they’re too weak. That’s where you step into a logical fallacy.
Many people fail to understand that though. They believe the meta is everything and beyond, and what’s not in there must have been tested and deemed inadequate - that’s not the case. There’s a lot of unknown and unconquered territory.
Good thing that I never said that I could only beat some of them sometimes with a winrate of 40%.
These are all your numbers. If that’s how your homebrews perform, then you’ll have to practice instead of assuming you’ve already seen the end of time and that’s the best it can ever get.
Your deck isn’t beating every other meta deck consistently. Stop lying already.
You’re like the guy telling everyone homebrew coffee sucks and it’s better to buy it at a coffeeshop because you failed to make your homebrew taste fantastic.
Do you consider yourself the best player in the world, or where does the idea come from that if you couldn’t do it, nobody else could do it?
Your.
Deck.
Is.
Not.
Beating.
Every.
Other.
Meta.
Deck.
Consistently.
You.
Are.
Not.
The.
Best.
Player.
In.
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World.
Stop.
Assuming.
Only.
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Failed.
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Something.
Everyone.
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Have.
To.
Rogue sucks atm. You are arguing with a far better player than you are Foxy.
Give it up.
My average game length since Renethal has been 15-20 minutes. They are value slugfests and i love it lol
Takes forever to climb though xD
This is where you LOST the argument BTW, random new guy.
Good joke. Even medicore players understand that you won’t make it to legend with a 40% winrate on Dia 5.
And you’re not even listed on hgsguru which means you must suck hard, since the treshold where you have to be in the leaderboards for getting scraped isn’t even high.
Sure buddy.
Even an average player can hit legend.
Neither are you. bOh wait, you think I play HS on this account?!? That HILARIOUS!
Oh wait, you think this is the account I actually play HS on?!? Thats HILARIOUS. I dont post on my main account to prevent sniping like you are (feebly) trying to do.
Shoo, creepy stalker guy.
Why aren’t you in the list then?
Must be below average.
I’m not surprised you’re overwhelmed by using a simple interface.
Creepy stalker be gone. I dont post on my HS account precisely to avoid being stalked by creeps like you.
Meanwhile, youre sub-150 post count here, and scrub rank status on HSguru, only confirms you are, well, not as good as you believe you are.
Maybe, just maybe, dont walk into a discussion and call out long time, and well respected posters, if you want to gain any sort of rep here.
It. Just. Wont. Work.
Yeah sure buddy. You’re actually #1 on the leadboards, just posting with your undercover account here, hehe.
Good players as we all know are afraid of getting stalked. It’s not the bad players hiding because they don’t want to be confronted with their stats when they big mouth in the forums.
Maybe, if you want to be taken seriously, learn to actually argument instead of crashing into a discussion without anything to contribute apart from “lolllll he’s a far better player than you, I can’t actually argue against the points you made and I have nothing to back that claim up, but errmm… yeah! There you have it boy!”.
I actually shuddered reading your cringy hot takes. Reminded me of my teenager times when kids didn’t know how not to embarrass themselves when taking sides.
You should ask yourself this same question.
First, I’d love to see a screen shot of your tracker showing how well your rogues do.
Second, I don’t believe you’re anywhere beyond dumpster legend which is basically free now with the MMR changes. It’s actually easier to play a bad deck to legend than a good one now.
I can’t find you either, dude.
Smeet was 86 in standard, though, saw that.
Seems like you never grew out of it based on what you’ve shared here so far.