Rogue is in a great spot, you guys just only play the few netdecks that are available that’s why you don’t know.
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i like it more as a 8 mana card than a 10
this is a buff for me
Meh, rogue has some good decks but it aint rogue, if ya get what im saying there. As a long time rogue player i just aint feeling the cycle decks, the griftah, cover artists, sonya turns, or the giant turns, or the weapon decks. Give rogue a decent burgle deck again please, doesnt have to be tier one or amything, but give us a deck where we could make tess worth it.
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You say this to a person who nearly exclusively plays only homebrew decks and don’t know it.
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“Probably” is a wishy-washy weasel word. Post some stats or get off the pulpit.
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Thanks blizzard for the spellburst rogue, its fun and interactive, or how to bring BGs into standard 
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Why are you language policing? I can’t use the word probably? Since the post is my own opinion then using probably is better than using definitely.
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Why are you posting hyperbolic half-truths and then, mid-sentence, claiming you aren’t exaggerating?
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Because I was not exaggerating that I think Conman is probably the strongest card in Standard. You are literally arguing semantics, I’m done. You realize by the way, this is a public forum and not a Hearthstone statistics database, people post their opinions here, not hard data.
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Well I’m doing that too and I hit legend every month for the past 6 months with only homebrew decks, two of them being Rogue. One was built around the weapon with enchantements and tess and the other one around mechs and magnetize - both were incredibly fun and strong.
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As do I.
So? You can hit legend with some pretty awful decks. I can hit Legend with an Amalgam DK deck. I can hit it with Reno Rogue if I wanted to. I can hit Legend with literally every single class in the game with a homebrew deck.
That doesn’t mean the class is in a good spot power wise.
Play whatever Rogue Homebrew deck you want to.
Then go play Painlock or Rainbow Shaman or Pipsi Paladin.
You will clearly see the massive difference in power. After playing a Homebrew Rogue deck, those other decks will feel like you’re cheating.
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If that was the case I wouldn’t beat these decks with my homebrew ones.
They just feel easy to play and have many expensive legendary cards with “woooaaah” effects, but that’s just the illusion. It does’t mean the other decks/classes are in a bad spot.
I’ve played against painlocks and rainbows who broke their neck by T5 and all they could do is concede or watch me finish them. I was done with the game when they were still collecting their cards to pull their combo later.
The decks you named are good for people who aren’t too skillful players and need some supporting wheels in case they make bad strategical decisions. These decks are designed to have answers for as many situations as possible. But my homebrews are very powerful at the core. They’re not as versatile, but in exchange they’re really good at the few things they can do with much power.
That’s the difference you feel when you play netdecks after homebrews. But again, I wouldn’t derive that other classes are in a bad spot because of that. They’re just aimed at more advanced players.
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You can beat any deck with any deck. You can beat top decks consistently with a bad deck.
What you won’t be doing is beating all of the meta decks consistently with a homebrew one. If the homebrew deck was good enough, it would eventually become a meta deck.
What you are arguing against here is statistics and data. The data shows, without a shadow of a doubt, that Rogue, overall, is in a bad state.
You can do whatever statistical and anecdotal gymnastics all you want all day long and it won’t change the fact that Rogue, overall, is in a bad state.
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It’s literally the worst class, across all brackets of ranking.
Don’t know what will happen after today’s nerfs though.
No you can’t, otherwise it wouldn’t be a bad deck. Not being able to beat most other decks the very definition of a bad deck.
Yes you can. If you talk about becoming #1 at the end of the season, that’s a different subject. But with reaching Legend you’re actually ahead of a very big chunk of the entire playerbase that won’t. A homebrew deck making it to legend and beyond against all these powerful meta decks is definitely not an offspring of a class in a bad spot. It only shows that people don’t play that class enough in order to get good enough with it.
Which is because most people don’t play or practice anything on their own. Very few people design decks for the meta. The player base eats whatever bread crumbs are thrown their way, without questioning whether higher-quality food exists.
Not if you don’t share it with the world.
Dont do it schyla, dont do it!
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Yes, you can.
I can take a 40% win rate deck, lose to almost everything, but only beat the top 2 decks. Beating only the top 2 decks and losing to literally everything else does not make the deck good. It makes it terrible.
The fact I have to explain this to you tells me all I need to know about why you think Rogue is somehow good.
With a 40% Winrate deck only being able to beat 2 out of a dozen decks you won’t make it to legend and beat most other decks, so I don’t know why you quoted me on that only to come up with an unrelated example.
Yeah, your deck sounds pretty crap.
You didn’t explain anything, you stumbled over your own logical fallacy. And your statements tell me that you’re not really good at homebrewing.
Please, for the love of all that is holy, follow the flow of conversation.
I said,
That is to say, you can create a garbage deck that is built specifically for beating up on 2 top decks, and get pummeled by anything else. I say BEAT TOP DECKS. I DID NOT say “beat most decks” with it. IE, you create a deck that has a sole focus of doing nothing more than beating up BSM and Concierge Druid and loses to everything else.
Which follows to the next point I made
There you have it. You won’t be beating up all of the other meta decks with it.
So why you insist on injecting this BS:
No, really? All you did was reinforce my point.
You can get to Legend with a 40% win rate deck. You can get to Legend with a garbage deck.
You can beat top decks with a garbage deck.
So your entire earlier point of:
Is nullified by that point. It doesn’t matter if you “beat these decks with my homebrew ones” as I have just described how it’s possible to do so and still be a trash deck.
And again, as I stated before, none of this changes the fact, yes, THE FACT, that the Rogue class as a whole is not in a good spot.
The class is one of the worst performing decks, and your “I made a homebrew Rogue deck that beats up top decks” isn’t proof that the Rogue class isn’t in a bad spot. It’s only proof that a bad deck can still beat some (see how I didn’t say most?) top decks. And any deck can still win against another deck. Just because you beat some of the top decks sometimes doesn’t mean your deck is good.
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Maestra and eudora feel a lot more playable in the Renethal meta to be fair.
Still relatively slow, but you can play them more often now
Rogue definitely benifits from less BSM today too
I went 7-1 with reno rogue today for whatever that is worth
Only loss was swarm palidan