Caverns of Time works as intended?

[Keelshot-2266]

So I found out about CoT when this twist came online. I opened some CoT packs, crafted some cards and here are my 2 issues so far:

1. I have 2 Jade Spirits from Gadgetan and 2 Jade Spirits of CoT, these do not show up when i filter “extra” or when i press the disenchant all button.
2. Some standard cards (ex. Ship’s Chirurgeon, Acolyte of pain etc.) are not legal in Twist, but their CoT copies are legal in twist but not legal in Standard. So i must have 4 chirurgeon’s if i want to play them both in Twist and Standard?

I genuinely wonder if those things are intended, if they are going to change anytime or if it is what it is !

[CheezusCrust-1567]

cot packs are a scam

[Boreas-1179]

caverns of time doesnt have that many new cards from those rarities if you have all rares and commons youll start getting duplicates after only a few packs

[SparkyElf-2852]

First, some generic links for future reference:

https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/Caverns_of_Time ;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NROP88Em5TA .

@Keelshot-2266

I have 2 Jade Spirits from Gadgetan and 2 Jade Spirits of CoT, these do not show up when i filter “extra” or when i press the disenchant all button.

Probably a limitation of that functionality, since they are from separate sets after all.

[UPD] This explanation might be related and confirm the assumption above:

@GnomeSayin-11972

Caverns of Time versions of cards are showing as “NEW” even if you have the original versions. This is not a bug; the client sees these as new versions because they are technically a different version, from a different set.

The video referenced above also mentions the point.

@Keelshot-2266

Some standard cards (ex. Ship’s Chirurgeon, Acolyte of pain etc.) are not legal in Twist, but their CoT copies are legal in twist but not legal in Standard. So i must have 4 chirurgeon’s if i want to play them both in Twist and Standard?

Are you referring to the Core versions (that Ship’s Chirurgeon in particular), which are illegal in current Twist?

https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/Ship%27s_Chirurgeon
https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/Ship%27s_Chirurgeon_(Core)

You sort of have them automatically in Standard.

The Acolyte of Pain is a bit trickier, since it has three versions:

https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/Acolyte_of_Pain

(From the Legacy set, EXPERT1 in particular, if memory serves)

https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/Acolyte_of_Pain_(Caverns_of_Time)
https://hearthstone.wiki.gg/wiki/Acolyte_of_Pain_(Core)

You can use either a Legacy or a COT version in Twist and a Core version in Standard. However, after some testing, I realised that the last-named is also usable in Twist for some reason, which may be an oversight or a complication.

Oh, nevermind, I dug up this:

@GnomeSayin-11972

[Collection] Fixed a bug where the Warrior Twist Battle-Ready Deck included the legacy copy of Acolyte of Pain (which is banned in some cases to avoid another issue). Players who already purchased the deck before this update can play it by swapping out the banned version of Acolyte of Pain with the free Core Set version, which is not banned.

There’s also another link from there: Acolyte of pain legacy cannot be used in twist .

So this particular card might be a painful exception.

[UPD] Or it would seem that some Core cards are usable if they mirror cards from certain sets legal in Twist, but not all of them. For example, Core mirrors of some Legacy Druid cards or Feral Rage can be added to a Twist deck, but a Core version of Raven Idol cannot. This whole shebang appears messy, inconsistent and probably buggy.

Thanks for pointing this out, after some investigation I realised that it’s even more messy than I thought.

Maybe a bug should be filed.

PS Done: Some, but not all, Core versions of cards usable in Twist.

There also used to be this complex of issues: Caverns of time not usable in twist .

@Boreas-1179

caverns of time doesnt have that many new cards from those rarities if you have all rares and commons youll start getting duplicates after only a few packs

What’s this got to do with the TS’s questions?

[Keelshot-2266]

Wow that is such a detailed answer! Thanks for clarifying everything! The general CoT idea seems messy but i guess it will only get better since it is a new addition to the game!

[SparkyElf-2852]

@Keelshot-2266

The general CoT idea seems messy but i guess it will only get better since it is a new addition to the game!

You’re an optimist, my friend.

Twist looks like a mode on its way to abandonment, and the whole ‘Wonders’ shebang, CoT being a part of the concept in a way, is already a reuse of the format’s previous iteration, so if anything, the situation with it all, while the mode still lasts, might get even more messy — or already has…

[shuteye-1545]

@Keelshot-2266

I have 2 Jade Spirits from Gadgetan and 2 Jade Spirits of CoT, these do not show up when i filter “extra”

That’s because Gadgetzan and Caverns of Time are different sets.

Filtering for “extra” will only show excess cards within the same set.