This had been boggling my mind. It seem odd that I encountered many matches that doesn’t seem random at all. Their cards on hand seems so perfect and organize that they are drawing their needed cards to end the game quickly or to have every answer to your minions on board. I’ve notice this too many times on every matches. There’s 26 cards on deck in the beginning of the game. To gain that much luck to draw their needed cards since it suppose to be “random” is absurb. Even the mulligan should be randomize, but I notice they always pull their needed cards in early game while I’m struggling to draw my cards. They are having it way too easy for them to gain their cards. It feels like there is some sort of “cheat” for them to get their cards on hand. It feels like they are keeping it as a secret for that “cheat,script, mod” whatever you call it to never get patch up. There is no way that they can guess my deck if it comes to efficiently mind guessing it for the sake of knowing the meta line ups. I do not copy my decks online. I built them myself and their formation are not the same as those from meta decks online. I might be wrong, but It feels so weird for such an RNG game. I think there is some form of “cheat” out there that they are keeping as a secret denying and rejecting it’s existence for them to have the leverage.
Something that may help you dispel this is to download Deck Tracker and then make sure you have the extension to save replays.
Go rewatch replays and you’ll see that the enemy doesn’t draw perfectly all the time. Instead, they know what your deck likely is and are saving the cards to play against a specific card they know you are going to play.
For example, let’s say you are playing Pure Paladin. I have Shadow Word Death in hand since the start. On turn 5 you play Blessing of Authority and get an 8/8. My turn I play Shadow Word Death and kill it.
To you, you think I probably just drew that card and just so happened to get lucky to counter you, but in reality I KNEW what you likely were going to do on turn 5 and saved it specifically for that.
maybe somehow that can help me monitor the other players card draw. I never knew that i can watch the replay of the match. I have deck tracker and i use it, but how do i download and watch the replay of the match?
Yeah, the replay shows you the order they draw their cards and what cards are in hand at what times. If the card is hidden it means they never played it.
On the deck tracker go to the tab that says HSREPLAY.NET and follow the instructions there
ok thanks! That might ease my mind a little to see the actual match. It’s just blows my mind for these players to have way too synchronize draws and combos way too early while I’m struggling to get my cards. Happens to often too.
UPDATE: Just went to checked on HSreplay. Uncertain how reliable the replay is since it doesn’t really show me the actual footage of the match. Still not 100% convince. I thought it would be a video replay like starcraft, dota, lol, etc. that we can view frame by frame. The HSreplay is just like a flash player so I still have my doubts.
It builds the replay from the game logs. It relies 100% on what you saw as a player to deduce which cards were what. It’s accurate.
One thing to consider is that you don’t know how many options for a perfect draw your opponent is running. For example, I can think of at least three ways a rogue could kill a 4 health creature by turn 3 in Standard.
Having multiple options to deal with likely boardstates makes certain decks flexible. It’s part of the power of building a good mana curve in your deck.
Fully agree with this. Often you are just pre-determined to lose a game, by the game. Perhaps being an f2p player has something to do with it.
It’s an enforced 50% win rate mechanic that applies only to the unwashed masses, not streamers, or it would give the game away.
It’s to “enable everyone to have a good time”. The gaming equivalent of ‘participation medals’.
You people got any proof for those wild claims?
Also how is the game supposed to know if you’re a streamer?
The matchmaking system is there because the game is not balanced, so they have to put equal performing players against each other to get fair matches.
Lets set a theoretical skill level on scale of 1-100.
Example: Player A - Skill Level 45, wins 52% of his matches at a Bronze rank using a deck that performs very well in the current meta.
Player B - Skill level 60, wins 52% of his matches at a Bronze rank using a deck that performs decent in the current meta.
Both these players get matched against each other because of their matchmaking rating, which is based on their win% (aka performance).
As you can see, the game is not balanced. A specific deck can help Player A who is 15 points less in skill be equal against Player B who is 15 points higher in skill, because one deck is better than the other.
Now you can say the game is also about deckbuilding, too. But the problem with that is everyone would have to use the same high performing classes and decks to be able to perform at their best on the ladder, which eliminates tons of classes and decks. Where’s the fun in making decks if there is such a huge discrepancy in utilization and power among cards that only certain decks can bring you to your peak? This means that the game, which includes all classes, is not balanced in such a way that skill is the biggest factor. Some classes can’t perform well against other classes, creating a rock/paper/scissors game style, which is not very fun.
On top of that, the game is rigged to distribute better RNG in certain ways to certain players to balance the game as well. The game is never completely in your hands. It’s meant to give you certain highs and lows or ups and downs to get you hooked and addicted. And also, spending money.
The game is far from fair, balanced, equal, fun, serious, and reasonably priced.
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Sounds like you’ve been watching to much x-files.
If you don’t already use HS replay. it’s a great site that you have your matches uploaded. You can re-watch the particular match and actually see what your opponents’ draw was.
That’s not how Starcraft does replays either. A replay is a command log, not a video recording.
If you’re seriously claiming that a third-party replay site would fabricate your matches to hide rigged card draws, then you really shouldn’t bother playing this game.
I don’t think that’s what they meant. I may be wrong but I think they are saying that HSReplay will only show what cards are drawn and when, while the claim they are making is that the draw order has been “hacked”.
@OP: Things to consider
- The order of your draw is not likely determined by the client (your side) and is more likely happening at the server side. This would make it extremely unlikely that manipulation by the player themselves is happening.
- The order of the draw is redone every time something is added to your deck. This would create havoc on someone trying to keep a deck order specific and there are a ton of ways to cause this right now.
- There are no monetary gains from people playing the game in it’s regular open form. Tournaments tend to have this kind of thing covered as well, though I’d welcome info showing otherwise.
I wouldn’t chalk your experiences up to player cheating. Crappy RNG engineering? Yes. Poorly designed card balance? Absolutely! Pandering to the lowest common denominator in order to attract less intelligent players with access to money they want? That’s the one… right there…
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Its not a cheat. What the system does is pick a player that win and then the draws just come favorably for that player sometimes its you and sometimes its the opponent. On those games you lost it the coin flipped opponent.
Just to clarify to everybody who might not know. There is absolutely zero evidence to suggest this is in any way, shape or form true.
It is absolutely how the game does things. The RNG variance is so high now a days and what decides the RNG? That’s right the AI system sometimes its the draw order than the system decides on. Unless you are suggesting that there indeed is some kind of cheat where the RNG aspects are under the players control.
Unless you consider feelings to be evidence, of course. Which is a pretty common position these days.