I’m genuinely too tired to type out a long response - but you’re stating things as fact without any evidence whatsoever to back up your claims.
What I am suggesting is that the RNG is exactly that - random.
Edit, even if you believed what your saying is true - it certainly hasn’t been proven (by ANY standard), so it’s just not right to be telling people ‘this is how it is’.
They called it cheating and then accused HSReplay of being in on it. What else could they mean?
Maybe. It’s not the way I interpreted the original post and that’s probably what carried me through the rest of the convos mind you.
This made me giggle as I was reading the thread though.
Then they “suggest” to take their own assertion as fact and finish with
Come on people. You can’t convince someone that doesn’t support your side to support your side by telling them that their side is fantasy and to just accept your side because… reasons.
To the conspiracy nuts: You are right. It is not true random. However I have yet to see any evidence presented that even suggests that it is weighted towards a specific player base. The competitive players find the weaknesses in the programming and exploit them until they are hot fixed. Watch the streams and count the number times they break things just to end up banned or at least warned lol… hot fix usually follows.
I’ve never made it a secret that I think the draws are weighted somehow. Don’t really care how, as I also believe it was intended to make the games more interesting. Player matching is so busted right now though it’s not even funny.
Eh… I’m not sure I understand you, all I meant to say was…
I take a slight issue with people saying “The game works in this and this fashion” not that they believe it does, just that it does.
Just because anybody could read that, you know. I just think it’s plain wrong to pass off opinions as facts =S
So you think mostly anybody is very gullible, but you’re not, and you’re going to be the hero and save them?
No…? I think that some people won’t have any opinion on if hearthstone is rigged or not, and might perhaps believe someone who says “this is how it works”.
I mean, who knows, they might not. But surely saying “this is how it is” in any public forum - when in fact, there’s absolutely zero evidence to support the claim - is kinda wrong isn’t it?
How is it wrong if they believe what they’re saying is true?
There is plenty of evidence to support the claim that it isn’t rigged. It gets ignored by those who think it is, while they never present any evidence and then disingenuously argue that both sides can’t present evidence.
This had been boggling my mind. It seem odd that I encountered many matches that doesn’t seem random at all. Their cards on hand seems so perfect and organize that they are drawing their needed cards to end the game quickly or to have every answer to your minions on board. I’ve notice this too many times on every matches. There’s 26 cards on deck in the beginning of the game. To gain that much luck to draw their needed cards since it suppose to be “random” is absurb. Even the mulligan should be randomize, but I notice they always pull their needed cards in early game while I’m struggling to draw my cards. They are having it way too easy for them to gain their cards. It feels like there is some sort of “cheat” for them to get their cards on hand. It feels like they are keeping it as a secret for that “cheat,script, mod” whatever you call it to never get patch up. There is no way that they can guess my deck if it comes to efficiently mind guessing it for the sake of knowing the meta line ups. I do not copy my decks online. I built them myself and their formation are not the same as those from meta decks online. I might be wrong, but It feels so weird for such an RNG game. I think there is some form of “cheat” out there that they are keeping as a secret denying and rejecting it’s existence for them to have the leverage.
I’m wondering, maybe their deck is built well to be consistent.
You’d be surprised how much difference one card can make.
Not sure if this is the case but when building a deck, one of the elements is simply making sure you have cards to play on curve so you don’t fall behind.
Also, the mulligan is very important.
With a finite number of cards in the deck, some probability is involved when deck crafting.
A well built deck can seem very unfair IF your own deck is not as consistent.
This is advice is under the assumption there’s really no foul play. shrug
That is great advice for anyone whether it is rigged or not.
Minimizing risk and maximizing options.
Hacks, scripts, mod, bot, etc. All of these are not foreign when it comes to video games whether you think it’s in a client side or server side. Whether you think it has the most tightest security a game can do. It can always be bypass by someone who has greater understanding and knowledge in computer programming. This is why I have doubts that there isn’t any form of “cheat” in hearthstone out there especially if you can play this game on PC. Games on PC is much more easier to hack since you have freedom of modification as long as you know what to do. Honestly, i never really paid much attention to my matches before. Until I became serious about playing Hearthstone and wanted to colllect animated cards for the fun of it. I’ve read people’s comment and they are insisting that hack in this game is impossible to penetrate because it’s a server side. If you been playing hearthstone since it started. You already know that there’s a bunch of cheats that existed before and you can even find them all on youtube for a reference that cheats are possible in hearthstone just like any other games.
Anyone with the ability to hack Blizzards servers isn’t doing it to win a game. They’re doing it to get your credit card details. This ain’t Hollywood bud, it’s the real world where hacking even just to win a game carries a prison sentence.
I don’t believe anyone is using an active cheat. However, the odds of some things are ridiculous. It’s not too hard to pop over to HSReplay and see the deck runs 1 or 2 copies, then calculate the odds of that card being drawn within the first 3, 5, or 10 cards. When I watch opponents game after game pull off 1-5% chance events it’s really really hard not to feel cheated. With how heavy the RNG is these days, statistics don’t work out real well, some crazy 3% chance discover swings the game 180 degrees in 1 turn.
I’ve ranted about this before, but 10 turns of correct plays, shouldn’t be cancelled out by 1 OP swing card.
I empathize with this topic. Every druid use Overgrowth on third or fourth turn. Every paladin use Aldor Attendant on first turn. Every.
The humour I found isn’t specifically about you. It’s more so a commentary on how people will generally argue their own point as excepted fact while simply dismissing the other side and effectively imply “Everyone is on my side so you should be too” or “Everyone is blind and I know the truth”.
I apologize for any offence. It just really stood out to me in your post.
I don’t disagree with the sentiment. Those hacks, scripts, mods, etc… work within the confines of the access that is given though. I know movies and TV make it seem like you can hack into anything, anywhere and do whatever you want but that’s just Hollywood.
Truth is we don’t have enough transparent information to know anything. That’s the reason I don’t mind reading these threads. That and the comical back and forth from the extremists make for a great time waster.
I don’t use that paladin deck myself but whenever I do face that deck, sure enough, that is what I see as well - Aldor Attendant played first time, every time. That is not random!
True. There was a blue post, too long in the past to remember exactly when, that divulged a task undertaken by devs to reduce the number of card draw combinations. It was stated that they believed they had identified which draws led to lopsidedness or generally uninteresting games, and that they had come to the decision that minimizing unwanted matchups was in the best interest of the game. Of course, the highly emotionally sensitive deniers of RNG manipulation will reject this out of hand and demand that I comb through the thousands of blue posts to find that one to prove it so.
Now you’re just making things up.
I went back to old post because of this topic. If you have the time, maybe this post from a year ago will help you understand our differing perceptions of RNG “rigging.”
So, you still have nothing.
Yawn.