I am not understanding how the minion pool works. From what I understand, the less amount of people targeting a certain minion type, the more of that type I should see, right? So if I am the only one with a Dragon minion party, I should see more dragons on my refresh?
Thanks for the help.
Yes, unless someone is smart, and starts buying your minions because they have a lot of gold they don’t need.
I haven’t confirmed that anyone is doing it, but it sounds like the best strategy inside the top 2.
No.
What you see is random and the pool is massive at this point. Just because no one is going dragons besides you doesn’t automatically make you see them more often. If you’re in a lobby with large tribes, you may never see anything you want.
If the tribes were balanced across tiers with a consistent number of units per tribe, you might have a better chance to see them, but it’s such a fractional difference that it’s effectively meaningless in the current pool of minions.
What are you talking about. The cards are finite in the tavern. Of course the answer is yes they see fewer dragons if others are buying dragons.
If you’re talking about statistical chances to see them, then there’s a slight (and it’s really miniscule) increase in the odds to see something over many rolls, but functionally it doesn’t make a difference.
There are thousands of minions in the shop pool each game an you’re only looking at six or seven at a time. You can miss and miss and miss and miss regardless of what anyone else is or isn’t using.
This idea that “I played a tribe no one else played so I will see more of my tribe” is false.
Absolutely 100% not. The tavern is completely random unless another mechanic is influencing the rolls. ATM the only extra mechanic would be the Tavern Spell Wisdom Ball. Don’t play what you want. Play what the tavern offers you and work from there.
It’s also important to understand as you tier up just how hard it is to find specific tribes much less a specific minion.
| Tavern Tier | Copies of each minion |
|---|---|
| 1 | 16 |
| 2 | 15 |
| 3 | 13 |
| 4 | 11 |
| 5 | 9 |
| 6 | 7 |
What are you even talking about you both. It doesn’t matter even if the dragons are billions. Of course the answer is yes: if others are picking dragons: it’s more improbable to find dragons.
In addition you miss another important factor you both. If everyone is looking for the same 1 card from a specific tribe, then it’s noticeably unlikely to find it.
You talk as if it’s only about the total number. All tribes have cards that are “enablers” and some are so badly designed they only have 1 or 2 enablers.
You need to read and think some to understand the point being made here.
You would think you would see more units from a given tribe, but the reality is the pool is so big as to make it barely noticeable. Maybe you see on more dragon than otherwise across 50 shops because it’s that small of a change to the pool.
If “everyone” is looking for the same card you are in a low ranked lobby and just knowing how to not play like that will be an advantage.
Your shops are a tiny fraction of the total pool each time you roll. It’s very common to not see several minions in a game.
You are very off on understanding those numbers. E.g. to make Demons work reliably you ideally want a rewinder on round 2.
Approximately EVERYONE will buy the rewinders on round 2 (and they will very likely freeze too if they found 2 or 3).
Good luck for your “thousands” to make tribal selection of other players irrelevant.
If everyone or almost everyone is looking for 1 card: it WILL be made rare to find.
No one is doing this in competent lobbies.
If you’re actively looking for a rewinder in the shop you’ve already lost.
Not me, thanks. Demons are trash.
If you understood how many cards are in the pool with tier 1 and 2, you would understand this better.
You’re only seeing three or four cards out of literal thousands of cards. Removing one copy does functionally nothing to improve your chances of seeing a specific other cards.
It’s pretty simply here - it’s the difference between a statistical chance and a meaningful difference.
You’re evading the subject with unrelated opinions on how to play Demons. Demons can be replaced with anything others need.
Point is even 1 opponent looking for something: will make it harder for your to find.
Anything else defies basic statistics.
Good luck being convincing.
You won’t accept the truth if someone hit you upside your thick head with it, so I have no illusions that you’re going to actually understand or learn anything from your time here.
It would likely be to your benefit to have actually taken basic statistics because then you would undersatnd what Dalleen and I are trying to help you understand.
No, the point is meaningful differences and statistical differences aren’t always the same thing.
Refuting your specific example is evading the topic now? I mean, your whole example was based on a flawed premise of how to play the game, so it’s pretty simple to refute that before continuing.
But while we’re here… you’re moving the goalposts.
So ya, as I suggested earlier, you should sit and think for a bit on the difference between statistical chances and what shops look like one at a time because that’s where the answer is.
You can not see a minion for 50 shops regardless of how many players are or are not looking for it because the pool is very large and rng is a thing.
You can keep beating around the bush but you only have two choices, either get the basics of the statistics here, or just play the game and see for yourself.
Since you must choose the latter road like most uneducated people need to do,
see if the “thousands” cards mean anything when you’re 4 on the same tribe.
Why are you telling me this? You’re the one who isn’t understanding how and why you’re wrong.
This is rich. You don’t understand what people are telling you so you call everyone else uneducated? Did you even finish high school? I sincerely doubt you did.
You’ve never been in a lobby where all four top four players have the same tribe? It happens frequently when you have imbalanced tribes like we do right now.
You really don’t undersand how big the pool is, though, do you? When there’s 1500 options and you see five of them, taking out one or three copies of any minion doesn’t really change the math enough for you to notice a difference. You should get out some scratch paper and do the math, then you’ll see… oh, wait, I bet you don’t even know how to start much less how to calculate it.
This is your last chance to re-read the OP’s question. They’re asking if the probability to get dragons lowers if others are picking dragons.
If you still think the answer is a plain “no” I can’t help you.
I never said this and now I have proof that you can’t read.
Thanks.
What are you talking about? Please say more things that make ZERO sense. I NEVER said that if multiple players are playing the same tribes in a lobby or are looking for specific cards that there would be les sin the pool if they bought them.
My response was ENTIRELY focused on the question i responded to. That asked about getting more minions offered to you if you are playing that tribe. The answer to that is NO you will not get more offered to you.
If you think by picking a tribe that you will automatically get offered that tribe more then you are a lost cause because that is 100% false.
You misread the question or at least you are bad at analysis of the question.
The OP said clearly that OTHERS WILL NOT BE PLAYING DRAGONS.
That obviously means you have higher probability to see dragons.
Actually? No, they’re spot on.
Nothing about being the only one running a tribe makes you see more of the tribe. Draw is random always.
It’s not enough of a statistical change to matter, though. That’s what you don’t understand. It’s such a miniscule change as to be meaningless in practice.