Why in the world, with nobody else playing naga, does it take me until round 12 to find a deep blue? With Azshara hero power? actually LOL, jesus christ.
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Mostly because if you are trying to force a specific type of build in BG’s you are playing BG’s wrong. You are meant to play what you are given and evolve your build as it goes until you have a clear direction mid game.
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+1 to this. I know the OP said they were using Naga-specific hero, but that’s on them for picking a tribe-specific hero to begin with. Maybe their other option(s) also stunk? 
Personally though, if we’re on a soapbox moment, I would argue the ideal would be for it to work MORE like the OP suggested. It would be far more intuitive to craft the tribe that’s on the tin, and also have the seasonal gimmick actually function similarly, and have that be the intended/viable strategy.
Instead we literally just kind of wing it until “good stuff” pops up. Which is fine, I kind of like that now that I’ve discovered that’s how it’s “intended” to be, but it definitely caught me in the newb trap thinking “oh boy, I got a dragon hero, time to roll HARD into dragons from round ONE” and then I’m dead before greaters even get bought…
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To be fair you can get to around a 6K rating playing like this given enough time. You aren’t really forced to start adapting your builds till around that point. It would be crazy to think the game would remain like that from that point onward though. It would become incredibly stale for the more creative players. The great thing about BG’s is that it allows incredible amounts of creative freedom in your builds once you understand how the game works.
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youre not understanding the question. what im saying is, the card pool, at times, seems to never reward the 1 person going a solo type. but yes, please tell me im playing wrong xD
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I understand exactly what you mean. What you are not understanding is that you cannot “Look” for specific cards to play BG’s. You can “find” them but you need to be flexible and move off anything you are doing on a turn and go for what is being offered to you currently.
That means if you have a partial Naga build but not all the parts and the shop all the sudden starts offering you say something like beasts. You should more than likely be moving to the beast build because that is what is offered. Playing Menagerie is a good skill to learn for the first 5-6 turns and just keep good tempo to keep your life total high. You shouldn’t be even thinking about a build at that point yet.
An example. Many times i will be on say a solid Demon build but by turn 8 i am not getting what i need to keep scaling. I will immediately pivot to something else if the tavern tier 4 shows me something else better to play. If i sit there continually rolling to force find what i want i WILL lose. Rolling is one of the last things you want to do in a BG because it’s a waste of your already limited resources.
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You are playing wrong if you’re trying to force a comp
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I mean I get what you’re saying but my comment wasn’t that deep. I’m almost to 7k I just thought it was crazy to not see a deep blue with all the discovery I had. I figured it was a mistake to come to the forums xD
take care <3
That depends on why you posted. You asked a very simple question in your opening post:
And you got a very true and helpful answer, from three different people no less - two of which are much higher MMR than me, and probably even higher than you:
If you still feel it was a mistake to post here, it’s not for lack of constructive feedback to your ostensible issue.
I feel and know that pain OP. Many times it happens. I can be Ysera and never once encounter Teracgosa the entire match. Thats happened many times for me. Even recently with tokens that grant me random dragons for free to my hand at the start of the match. Can still go all the way to 12+ and that rare blue special dragon is nowhere to be seen and Im the only one that went dragons too, so it aint like other people are snagging up all the resources.
One thing that can be happening, depending on what the build is of your opponents, check their hands for cards, its not likely but sometimes people snipe key cards like deep blue to deny you and teracgosa to deny me (and the kobold that deathrattles 3 dmg to all minions if they are the only divine shield comp). But I agree, the odds of a minion not appearing is astronomical in my opinion. and i dont get this whole “dont force a comp” idea they are pushing. If you arent picking a comp and sticking to it the entire match you are guaranteed dead before the first token is picked. let alone the second. pivots are one thing, but not picking a comp is just dumb.
Jeef posted some tips on You Tube. His advice is to not pick a tribe early. There are some key minions that help win games and you should commit to a tribe only when you get one of those.
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Leaving aside that he’s forcing a comp and that he’s “playing wrong” according to all the experts here… the guy is asking a legitimate question.
Why wouldn’t you find minions from a race nobody is playing? This was my curiosity as well for a long time.
Are there different percentages of minions for each race? For example if there are Murlocs, Dragons, Naga, Undead and Demons are there 20% from each? Are the percentages different? How is it?
Not being played in your warband doesn’t mean you weren’t buying it, and it doesn’t mean said minion was abundant to begin with. If there’s only 8 copies allowed in the entire game of a given minion X, and one player has a golden copy IN play and another player has TWO copies in hand but haven’t played them because they’re fishing for a triple, that means there’s only THREE other copies left to go around between up to SIX other players… and one of those players just FROZE one of those copies, not because they want to buy X, but because they wanted that tavern spell but couldn’t afford it this round.
Add unto that, the VERY high likelihood that some people are just buying things just to spite you, or that the game might be coded “less than well” under the hood, and it’s VERY probable that you’ll NEVER see the full kit of a given tribe. Especially if said tribe is popular (nobody ever complains “aw man, I didn’t get that key PIRATE”)
You’re without a doubt playing wrong. There’s not even a question that you’re using a low rank strategy that fails hard as you climb up to play with remotely competent players.
There’s a reason tribal heroes have higher armor at higher ranks, and it’s not because they suddenly get worse.
This is called random being random, and the expectation that you would see what you need just because no one else is looking for it ignores the volume of minions in the current pool.
I get your complaint, and I share it to a certain extent - the size of the pool makes it radically inconsistent to a fault, but I don’t advocate for some kind of change to the rng to fix it.
The correct answer is there are too many minions in the game and I’ve been saying this for quite a long time. It has only gotten worse over time.
This isn’t news to anyone remotely competent in the mode. This has been how to play the game since the beginning.
Can you be any more condescending? you must sweat ego all the time…
and it is news to me. IDK who they are talking about but the idea of key minions is a new idea to me in BGs. Key for a tribe, not entirely alien, but the idea of not picking a tribe until I have the t3/t4/t6/t6 dragons before picking the tribe at all is just an alien concept.
I most certainly can, but I wasn’t actually condescending there.
Again, this is your allergy to facts, not my issue.
You need to grow up, dude.
We know. All of us know you don’t know how to play, Cramer.
People stopped trying to help you years ago after you told everyone you’re incapable of learning… but you likely forgot everyone already told you this.
It’s because as you tier up you are adding a new card pool to the tavern that you have to rotate through. That’s why with some builds it’s better to stay on a specifically level where you will first see it and not tier up any further. The spread looks like this.
- There are 6 copies of Tier 6 minions.
- There are 9 copies of Tier 5 minions.
- There are 11 copies of Tier 4 minions.
- There are 13 copies of Tier 3 minions.
- There are 15 copies of Tier 2 minions.
- There are 18 copies of Tier 1 minions.
So in the specific example asked above. His best chance to find a crooner would be to sit on Tier 3 and hopefully nobody else took any out of the pool. If the accelerated to say tier 4 it becomes hard and on tier 5 you can see it’s going to become quite difficult to find one. This is why the most impactful and game changing minions are generally in tier 5/6. The chances of getting one are much harder without specific effects that let them pull from those specific pools.
Does that help?
Now look at how many T5 pirates are currently in the game and realize why pirates ruin lobbies.
But the minions right now are just awful. Beasts are so damn annoying. Elementals are pretty useles. Automatons win games walking away. Jar o Gems is just crap (if they nerfed bristlebach from being avenge one, why would they think just attacking twice would be okay?). And there’s so much more that just makes the mode not interesting anymore.
Just like standard, you know in a couple turns what the outcome will be and playing out the game seems like a waste of time.
There’s a couple minions they need to change tiers on for sure. They are either too powerful where they sit currently or are too high to be playable.
I would like to see some Trinket combos be unavailable.
Overall it’s not horrible but another pass is needed for minions and trinkets.
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Im not incapable of learning. Im not able to form memories that actually stick for long. It takes either a physical stimuli such as “ouch! hot stove is hot!” type to get something to stick or if that isnt an option, many many repetitions to somewhat get things to stick. After watching the Star Wars trilogies on VHS and DVD/BluRay growing up to the point that I wore out the tapes, the vcrs, the dvds and the players… to the point that I’d assume Ive seen each episode of the first two trilogies at least 400-500 times each. I can quote them, envision them in my mind, beat for beat can hear their music and even reproduce the sound effects acapella style. But ask me what minions are named what in Hearthstone? Sorry… you have about as much luck getting me to remember my brother in laws or sister in laws names. Something I havent been great at since I only encounter them at most once a year… despite how much I care to keep those names in memory, same for all their kids. How I’d love to know all my nieces and nephews names…
But instead you always have to make your snide remarks with the flippant attitude of always strolling into conversations just to make people fell bad about themselves because they lack your “perfect memory” and “perfect skillset” in this game. I dont know why you always have to be like that. You can choose words that, well, dont sound like your goal is to make others feel bad about themselves…
This right here, completely unnecessary, and its only point is to be hurtful to anyone that does find the comments you allude to as news. It isnt an allergy to facts. Its an ability to recognize someone choosing to say things in a way designed to be hurtful instead of any other option available.
Regardless of your intent, you make choices that affect others with the words you decide to use, and therefore the message you will deliver with them. You just choose to not to care that your message is to insult, is to show ego, is to belittle. That, is a form of sociopathy. Or at the very least a callous apathy with wanton regard to your word choices.