This doesn’t in any way invalidate what I said.
In order to make Hearthstone leaderboards consistently, you need to be highly skilled AND play a lot. If you just play a lot, that’s not good enough.
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Fixed that for ya. Simple math isn’t exactly a high skill thing.
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And yet you can’t consistently reach those ranks :0
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No you didn’t. Matchmaking exists. The players at the highest tier need to consistently defeat other players at the highest tier to gain points, and with each match they risk losing points to such opponents.
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Why would I play this game more than the time it takes to poop or avoid listening to a meeting at work. This game is terrible.
Except they have a range they fight and that range expands the longer it takes to find a lobby. Top #10 fight low ranked people all the time.
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It depends what you mean by “low ranked.” If you mean “top 1% but not top 0.01%” then sure. But if you think leaderboard people are getting matched against anyone even remotely resembling the center of the bell curve, you’re delusional.
This thread needs to stop. Its not about the topic anymore.
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It’s on topic. The opening post’s claim is being thoroughly refuted.
Something something, fox, grapes, you know how it goes.
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I wonder if Blizzard know how deep and low this game has gotten?? there is skill involved but the ratio to luck is like 80/20 in lucks favor. you can play the perfect round but you’ll always run into the golden highroller with better quests then you.
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Top players of BGs is an interesting phenomenon. It’s really just an average player playing a lot.
A person playing 60 hours a week is going to be higher ranked than someone that plays 10, but they aren’t that much more skilled.
I also see a lot of " ‘X’ is the actually the best build ." What if X isn’t in the game? Yeah…
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BG’s and TFT are not 100% random slot machines that don’t require an understanding of the game. Much like a regular card game there is variance in what you have available at any one time and you need to learn how to make the most of it.
The VERY first thing you are doing before the game starts is which hero you are going to play with the lobby being offered. A hero good in one lobby is likely terrible in another lobby. There are of course guides to this but experience with how the lobby plays out for a hero is the best teacher. However, this is a skill you have to understand or you will never get anywhere.
Everything in BG’s is a stepping stone to the next level of understanding. It’s certainly possible if you play all day and night all the time you will attain 14K+ rating. However that is factoring in that you are gaining knowledge and skill. Simply grinding without thinking or learn will get you nowhere. There’s a far deeper game going on at the top of the ladder with moves and counter moves.
You either play the game for fun and accept you don’t have the necessary skills to advance to higher ranks or you put in the time to gain those skills.
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This isn’t true.
You could play 100 hours a week and you wouldn’t climb.
MMR matches you against similarly skilled players and you only climb if you are better than the people you play.
You, specifically you, could play all day every day and you wouldn’t climb at all because you’ve got no idea what’s going on, attributing all of it to luck and time.
You don’t see this from top players, though. There are lots of factors that go in to what is the top build that change in every lobby you play. To say there is an absolute top build is to confirm to people you’re clueless.
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What makes someone good at BGs is knowledge.
Knowledge is the skill.
Just like in chess, the more you know about the board state, the better you are at chess. This is why computers beat humans. Knowledge.
You take someone who doesn’t know BGs, and someone who does, the person who does will destroy the person who doesn’t. If it was all luck, this wouldn’t happen.
Acting like everything is luck is just an excuse bad players give for being bad instead of doing the work to get better.
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Circa 1978, I read a book about Backgammon by the current world champion. It’s title was: “Luck is for Losers.”
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Humans are not thinking creatures. Maybe some, but generally that would be giving them too much credit. Humans are the rationalizing animal. And by “rationalizing” I mean not proper reason, but coming up with reasons for whatever nonsense they happen to be feeling. They don’t use their big brains to be right, now, but instead to feel like they’ve been right, forever.
Also everything LimeBeast said in this thread.
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I take it you know him personally and have watched him play on multiple occasions?
I don’t need to know them or watch them play to know they are not going to climb.
The minute you blame it all on luck you’ve quit learning and you will never get any better.
I see games all the time that teach me things, winning combinations I wouldn’t have thought of myself.
This game mode actually rewards creativity more than constructed does right now, which is part of why I have liked it so much and why I don’t like quests at all.
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I don’t agree with this. Skill is applying the knowledge. It’s like a coach vs a player. A coach knows what will work and won’t. A player is the one that executes it.
At a certain point, I don’t think there is very much a person can do to differently than make the obvious play.
Only time I felt BGs was remotely close to chess was when I was playing against a baron beast build where I had a whitemane, having to predict where they would position their baron. “I got it right this time, so he’ll move it, right? But he’ll expect me to me think that, so maybe I shouldn’t move it?”
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I think that’s just getting a bit too meticulous.
If I know that that best play is to attack with A, play card B, attack with C, play D to draw F and play F…that’s all knowledge. Applying that is just a matter of clicking.
I know I need to click my far right card. Knowledge. The only skill needed is to move my body to click the card on the right hand side. Is that really the skill we’re talking about? I have to skill to click? Sure…maybe if we’re talking about an APM build. I know I need to click this 100x and skill is actually clicking 100x but I’m only able to click 75 times so I lack the skill.
It really is just the knowledge. Applying the knowledge in Hearthstone is just simply clicking.
KNOWING what the best play is means having the KNOWLEDGE to KNOW it. That’s 99% of the game. The other 1% of that is just moving my finger to click.