No… It’s a card game. It’s all about counting numbers and figuring out the perfect plays. Sure there are theme decks, but even those are about the perfect plays.
You make one choice. Wether or not you actually play the game. If that’s a “Choose-Your-Own-Adventure” I’ve got a large selection of those books in my library. All I have to do is choose which book I read.
Choose? Like, you choose? Like, you INTERACT with the story? Well, yes, that’s why the books are called Gamebooks. Choose-Your-Own-Adventure is the name of the series published only by Bantam Books and the most popular Gamebooks.
I’m not too much in horror games. That’s why I don’t play them. So, why would people who aren’t into card games play a card game?
What I’m trying to tell you is that other people might enjoy different things. I personally for example am certainly not fixated on “the perfect plays” but rather try to have fun with it. Of course I still try to win but for example I always play Yogg instead of just “winning the game” by going for the easy lethal. Because that’s not why I play. People are different.
And what’s so wrong about Hearthstone expanding into that “territory”? I think it could be interesting. At least to some people. It almost seems like you might enjoy it as well. If only you could get over that Hearthstone has to be exactly this or that because of I don’t know what. I really don’t get it, lol.
Well… I guess it’s a decent point. Why would anyone come to something that is first and foremost a card game just to “watch a story played out”? But at the same time I think you just don’t have the vision of what Hearthstone could become. I seriously don’t get it. What’s the harm?
As I’ve said I don’t know if the audience is really there but it’s a very interesting idea and there’s nothing wrong about it. You might as well complain about Battlegrounds and Mercenaries because it’s so different from regular Hearthstone. To be fair this idea would be arguably even more removed from what Hearthstone is about (a card game in the more traditional sense I’d say) but I still think it’s not something fundamentally wrong if it were to be added to Hearthstone.
Look. I enjoyed the adventures, both the original deckbuilding ones and the dungeon runs. But that’s still playing the game. You still make choices. I would love the devs to expand in that territory again. But to let a bot take over and play the game for you? What’s the point of that?
I’m not against different modes or complete changes in gameplay. But both Mercenaries and Battlegrounds HAVE gameplay. Having a bot take over that gameplay, then what do you have left? A mediocre twitch streamer who doesn’t provide commentary.
And I’m sorry, but anything that removes the game from a game is something that’s fundamentally wrong, since the fundament of a game is, well, the game. Take the original Super Mario Bros for instance. If you didn’t push a button, the “screen saver” would kick in and Mario would play the first level himself. I wouldn’t know how long or how well he played, because nobody ever watched that to completion (other than out of curiousity to see how long it would go), since it’s not the game.
lol, I couldn’t have come up with a better counter argument myself.
See, that “screen saver” was also part of Super Mario Bros, optional, interesting to some, and there was nothing wrong with it. Imagine the same kind of discussion regarding that feature. Imagine people claiming that this feature “removes the game” from Super Mario Bros, lol. No, of course it doesn’t. That’s silly.
Although to be fair this “screen saver” was not like something you would like access from the main menu as a separate thing you could do in the game where you were like “Oh yeah, today I’m totally into just watching how the computer plays this level by itself.”
I mean I think I understand what you try to say, but just giving people the option to watch how an A.I. plays out this or that is not a bad thing and it certainly doesn’t “remove the game” from the game. Just like how you were not forced to watch that screen saver you can also just ignore that there’s an option that you could let an A.I. play everything out.
I still don’t see anything wrong if you would give people such an option if enough are actually interested. The only question really is if there’s enough interest in that kind of thing.
…but not perfect, or SuddenReal wouldn’t be a complete a-hole about it.
You left yourself open like you keep getting at others for? People play a card game…like Hearthstone…because they want to play an Auto-battler game…called Battlegrounds…People who aren’t into card games would play a card game…because…they like the art like it itself is a movie experience they wish they could bring to life into a movie with a ‘Computer Players Take Over’ function…or…their friend plays it…or…they like the kindness the game represents in some form…the camaraderie, or the sharing.
So…not having consideration for people who love Hearthstone and love the competitive play of Hearthstone but don’t have time (maybe due to kids and a job) is a BETTER IDEA and THAT IS A GOOD IDEA to not have consideration for others??? Okay, now you’re thinking "Well they shouldn't be playing Hearthstone when they have kids to take care of and a job" but what would you have them do when they love Hearthstone? Forfeit the idea of kids always changing attitudes to “Oh dang. No more games till my kid turns 18 and moves out”? or to “I’ll just drop them off at the babysitters for 6 hours till I can get my weekly Hearthstone Quests in”? or to “My interests in raising kids or having a job should never be something a game compromises for with an auto-play feature SOMETIMES so I should just quit my job and/or abandon my kids”? or to “My whole world has to revolve around my job and/or kid(s) and I have to give them the my whole world so my life is meaningless”? or to “I’m an adult so my game life is over and no game should compromise for me unless I show complete interest in it to make other aspects of my life compromise to me since the game doesn’t compromise to me at all”? Choose your pick. And No. I am NOT encouraging bad parents. No. I am not. Stop.
Translation: SuddenReal says “F you. F You. F YOU!” as a 3 hit combo. Sarcasm, hyperbole, and rhetorical questions all fall into 1 category - FAKE INTENTIONS. This kind of speech is such a hateful and manipulate tactic I see people use to try to sound smart and superior to others WHILE belittling them.
SuddenReal and SwampFace are the kind of people that would see Jesus walking on water and say “That’s because He can’t swim.”
At least if we learned 1 thing from SuddenReal, it is that we as human beings should make it our top priority to shame others into the dirt as the ultimate meaning to life.
I miss many daily and weekly quests due to my IRL commitments. It is YOU that needs to stop! If you miss out, you miss out. Too bad, so sad. You should NOT have the option to opt out of exerting the “energy” required to progress if you dont have the time. And you DEFINITELY dont deserve any rewards for doing so.
Its a complete copout to those who actually do put in the effort.
You want the rewards? Put in the effort/energy to get them!
Is your only reason that there shouldn’t be a “Computer Players Take Over” option because players should put in the effort/energy to get the rewards they want?
What if they don’t even care about the rewards and it’s not about the rewards at all? What if they just want to seem someone, or SOMETHING, else play their deck because they get tired of trying out all the ideas a deck could have?
Doesn’t it make any sense at all that some people don’t have time to try out all sorts of play-through games for how many ideas they have for different decks they can play in Hearthstone?
Does it not make any sense to have something that is enable-able as AN OPTION to help players flourish creatively?
Does it make any sense at all that some people can have so many ideas that just simply playing them out isn’t nearly enough digital fodder action to help them get their copious amounts of ideas out?
There is a lot of variables to consider in Hearthstone. This OPTION would only help players to run through some of their ideas a little faster and/or better so … ALL IN ALL … this would help players be more creative in Deck making and processing their ideas they have in Hearthstone about Deck making better.
I’m curious, how would naga mage works with this “Computer Players Take Over” function?
How would automaton priest work, how would odyn warrior, relic DH, even beast hunter?
Computer would know when to cast spell? computer would know what to discover?
Oh, well that… would be different I suppose, lol. (To be fair I personally rather dislike the F2P aspect of this game and would rather want it like regular games with one price for each expansion or so. Maybe some subscription model. And then this “botting issue” wouldn’t need to be.)
I was rather thinking about it for something like a “custom game mode” where people could set up “custom scenarios” and see how everything is played out. (Although I’m pretty sure this “A.I. player” would be rather fringe there. I think most people are indeed more into actual some form of interactive gameplay. But for such a game mode I don’t see much wrong with it. Maybe rewards should be disabled, but I’m not sure how important that really is. As I’ve said I would rather want Hearthstone not to be such a F2P game where people tend to abuse these things. But yeah, I know it is and it’s probably never gonna change. So yeah, maybe disable rewards when you just watch an A.I. play; whatever.)
I’m sure the basic Practice Mode A.I. would be a good start. (Is it possible for Hearthstone to have it’s own A.I. bots in this case for this option?)
I’m sure casting a spell wouldn’t be too complicated. Playing on curve shouldn’t be too complicated either. I’m not sure about all the other stuff. The other stuff would definitely be up to coders and how far they want to take everything. We seen how ingenious Hearthstone Developers could be with the genie card ** Zephrys the Great**. I’m sure they could cook something up.
I actually should touch on this since it IS my idea. Okay, I have considered all the feedback. Thank you all so much for sharing (even you SuddenReal). Well, competitive play would probably be better off without an auto-play function, even if it were designed to play better than actual human players in most or all cases (which is the whole point why I never even addressed this because everyone knows a computer can always out-perform a human relating to calculations and probabilities, even in random card games because they can calculate the whole random pool of any random pool in an instant, including mana cost average, Attack average, etc.).
So, maybe just until the Computer Players can out-perform human players FOR SURE, then this would be outside of Tournament play only, but not outside of ranked play for my preference because it is AN OPTION. Disabling rewards for “Bot” play does sound right, but mainly only for when the Computer Players out-perform real players. Imagine a computer doing, seeing, calculating, everything you can’t in just mere instances and watching that unfold out like a movie? That would only make us mere humans wish we could be better. It would motivate us. We would watch and learn, as all humans do, but instead of from each other, we would learn from the superior life forms (Computer Players) in the realm the superior life forms are most capable (The Computer).
Idea basically sounds like a bot/autofarm if there’s rewards or a ‘screensaver’ at best.
You can do fine playing hearthstone for like 30 minutes to a hour every 3 days to rack out dailies and your 5 weekly wins quest.
The ranked ladder and constant t1 decks you might have to compromise on or go a ranked wild zombie deck like secret mage to climb.
But if you want a automated mode. Just enter bgs. And buy nothing or buy randomly or afk it. Same exp and same “hands free fulfilling” gameplay.
As people mentioned the idea is basically akin to asking runescape to add in a official free to use bot because you don’t like playing. Bot’s already exist but they get banned, might keylog your account. Or make others feel behind if they don’t run the rope warrior bot.
If you just want to watch playing without the time. Afking on twitch is made for that and a twitch player will play more accurately than any blizz bot for “entertainment”
If you want 10 cents xp a hr rewards for turning your game into a screensaver. Marvel snap legitimately has a card that autoplays for you and would be a equivilent of a 6 mana 6/12 it’ll always try to play that adds itself to your starting hand.
I don’t think the novelty would last long past twitch streaming (already exists) or xp farming in practice (turn game into a electricity idle hog. )
Well, our discussion was about something different though, wasn’t it?
But as I’ve said thereafter I rather dislike the F2P of Hearthstone. And yeah, sometimes even to a point where I sometimes neglect it entirely for the sake of the underlying argument. As in how could this be done in spite of the F2P aspect of Hearthstone.
Like in this case I just implied that we were not talking about normal play because that’s basically out of the question. If you look at my original post:
So I was just using that as the basis for our discussion.
Otherwise I can just say it again: I very much dislike the F2P aspect of Hearthstone because of the negative stuff like for example botting. For the sake of argument I was operating under the assumption that this issue has to be somehow avoided like with a “custom games mode” as I’ve suggested initially. (Although I didn’t much touched on the details. I think it would be best if you would need to pay for access. I think Gold as an option would be fine. Not sure about the rewards. Maybe rewards should be disabled.)
The only use of this feature I would support would be in case of a disconnect. An autopilot to just do “green card go” before the rope timer runs out would be nice.
Oh you’re right. The suggestor had it akin to twitch for robo decks. But thr thread poster seems to clearly have it as a auto reward farming ranked ladder mode.
Hard pass for autobotting as a official feature. The point of a card game is to have fun playing decks to the max. I’d rather see them half the meaningless filler ranks they added with rank bonus like remove the empty grind of plat but keep all the rewards. and bump them up a tier. Or just make climbing faster than have autobots.
Plus a card game continually evolves. Too many people think machone learning ai should works like a person PRETENDING to be a robot in the 1960s. Rather than a 2023 machine learning ai that works by sheer chance in the same sense a grasshopper appears to react to visual simuli by jumping. But allows itself to be put in a glass jar.
Current ai is more like a pack of nerves that learns to respond to conditions. Like perhaps how a bloodhound can smell or homing pidgeon level. But they tend to play decks very suboptimally.
They know how to sometimes trade at best. Most bots only curvestone and hit face and miss even battlecry synergies like divine shield or silencing a doomsayer. But then attacking it anyways.
This is pretty much a gold farming bot to rank up in ladder for you. I can see how frusterating it might be to see chinese farming accounts and blizz bots. But in every game, whitelisted bot automization tends to turn it into pointless electricity wasting and make played hours feel wasted.
There’s plenty of cookie clicker /idle heroes like games and snap has a card that plays for you. Hell battlegrounds can be entered and afked already and “battles” for you. Why not just afk battlegrounds and let buying the first 3 minions you see play for you? It gets xp but its not botting and you dont need to win.
These ideas you and others have that it just basically is or sounds like bot/autofarm sounds like bot/autofarm. Collectively, you’re like "A computer player?!?!? That’s a BOT that wants to do illegal stuff!
Is it REALLY THAT BAD to want to watch your own creations be played out in a sped-up pace like a ‘fast action movie (with game-play graphics)’ sometimes [AS AN OPTION]?
Okay, sure, the work might be hard, but wouldn’t it be a good focus to have some challenging work to do as a maker of Hearthstone? Like, aren’t we all as Hearthstone players used to doing challenges and quests and trying to win and find solutions? What’s wrong with letting an equal ground 1v1 sped-up computer game play-out to see how they find solutions SOMETIMES, instead? It would help you see your own deck and see other ways of playing your own deck if you Never had that friendly spectator experience in Hearthstone where they are mentoring you with your own deck.
I think this is a good aspect to acknowledge. Something going downhill and needing maintenance. Some sort of $5 subscription fee?? Down the drain. Let’s just say it’s fine.
I didn’t, initially, but yeah, I would love if competitive ‘ranked play’ players could take a break from thinking out all there moves a little easier with this option.
akin to twitch? Hearthstone has been on Twitch. The suggestion had it akin to taking a break from over-competition and instead to have natural ease of playing a naturally easy game → Hearthstone.
Definitely not my intention to be seen that way. That was definitely SuddenReal’s intention for it to be seen that way. My intention was it to be seen as a way to HELP PEOPLE, not make them soldiers to the game.
Certainly not if you look at the very first initial post. As for our discussion I also don’t think you ever mentioned something in that regard. And besides I made my stance about it clear now. So I’m not sure why you still focus on that so much. I can only apologize again for not recognizing it sooner.
Also you didn’t pick up on anything else? What about my suggestion of “Custom Games Mode”? I think to implement it in this way makes the most sense. And now that I think about it for games where you just watch an “A.I. player” making plays it makes sense that you shouldn’t get any rewards for it because you’re not actually playing yourself and just watching.
I mean as far as I’m concerned I would be fine without any rewards from anything in such a mode, but of course I know that for many people this as incentive is an important part of the game. And I think it could be kept in place for that game mode for the most part. But yeah, if you’re not actually playing the game yourself and just watching an A.I. playing the game it makes very little sense to give rewards for that. So if some “Custom Game” uses this “A.I. player” feature it would also disable the rewards. And there you have it. Botting issue avoided.