47 U.S. Code § 509 - Prohibited practices (Oops Hearthstone)

[Bobafett345-1506]

@SuddenReal-2703

But there isn’t a rigged algorithm

@WingedKagout-2653

There has yet to be any actual proof of a rigged algorithm by anyone

actiblizz patent blocks your path.

@Aokighara-1654

which is free to play BG

It used it be. Now it’s p2w.

@Aokighara-1654

Would you go into a Casino at a Poker table and wave this code in the dealers face? No, you wouldn’t.

This is closer to finding out the Dabo tables at Quark’s are rigged.

@Henjam-1869

Patent number US20160005270A1

DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!

@SuddenReal-2703

It’s also four years old and (reportedly) never implemented in any game.

diablow immoral payportal hard blocks your path.

Also, someone apparently doesn’t know about the guy who p2w so much, he literally was unable to match with anyone.

@SuddenReal-2703

And since this is an Activision patent, it has nothing to do with Blizzard.

And who is the parent company of blizzard?

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

@scorched-1714

conspiracy theorists

The last resort ad hominem of those who can’t post a counter argument.

@Torrific-2557

I have read through the patent. Shocking, honestly. I was not aware Activision had this up blatantly in public, even though it should have been common knowledge that this tactic has been employed for virtually every single game involving game winning (and sometimes even cosmetic) microtransactions.

It’s a bit of dirty laundry that is public knowledge, they like to hide by well poisoning, distracting, and no small amount of “PAY NO ATTENTION TO THE MAN BEHIND THE YELLOW CURTAIN!” tactics but diablow immoral payportal blew the lib clean off the patent and their scummy implementation of it, as well as how they have been using it in othr games.

@Torrific-2557

hearthstone has become more free to play friendly over the years

not really: making the gold payouts less…well, less, runestones (the failed multi currency system from HoTS) and making bgs p2w are just a few examples.

@Torrific-2557

They don’t want to use it, they just have it collecting dust!

That’s what the pro company posters want you to believe.

50 years ago, they would have been telling us that tobacco companies just patented nicotine…they aren’t actually putting it in cigarettes. To say the tobacco companies were doing so is (old timey radio drama music) “A CONSPIRACY THEORY!”

@Bushi34-1427

It really doesn’t matter. You accepted their terms and conditions when you began downloaded and began playing (implicitly or actively).

Doesn’t give scummy mega corps free rein to break the law.

[Zeri0s-1602]

Good thing it’s just a game. It’s not like we are talking about stock investments. It would be naive to think that a company like Blizzard doesn’t engage in manipulation at all (that’s like saying all gambles in Las Vegas are 100% fair). The truth is, we live in a world where rules are being bypassed here and there whether we find out or not. What we can do as a consumer is to be smart about our own decision. I’ve definitely seen strong indications of manipulative tactics that Blizzard is likely using, but I never fall for it. I’ve been playing this game since beta and have not spent a single dollar. Just because they try to play you doesn’t mean that you need to let them. At the end of the day, it’s just a game. There are far more important things to worry about.

[Bushi34-1427]

@Bobafett345-1506

Doesn’t give scummy mega corps free rein to break the law.

No law has been broken. No promise of fair game play nor competition is implied in an environment where one can purchase a significant advantage should one choose.

What definition of reward can anyone quantify that they have been cheated of that they are due by purchase? None. The in game awards are arbitrary and at the discretion of the owner and technically achievable by all through pocket or sweat.

Ultimately one would have to prove financial harm from the competition to even begin a conversation. Distaste or dissatisfaction is just that not a crime. In no way is anyone forced to play a mode. The game is no different than life. Some born more advantaged than others - wealthier, smarter more dedicated or harder working and some less so.

Casinos have an inherent advantage in all games. All play by the same rules - except high rollers are fed, lodged and pampered at casino cost. All advantages to allow them to play longer and more freshly than Joe Shmoe - but all within the constraint of law.

Hate the game and corporate direction as you will. Proposing breaking of the law in this context is preposterous. One could not win a civil case much less even get a federal hearing.

[Bobafett345-1506]

@Bushi34-1427

No promise of fair game play nor competition is implied in an environment where one can purchase a significant advantage should one choose.

Interesting how in literally EVERY thread where this is brought up pro company posters deny this. VEHEMENTLY.

Looks like you outplayed yourselves this time. Saved.

[Praetorian-1432]

it is not hard to prove the game is rigged. Just play it for yourself and see it!

[Bushi34-1427]

Simply read the game description in the App Store on your device.

Collectible card game for fun.

If not fun delete, love, live and prosper in the light of a life with meaning.

Fault is on anyone who took it as anything more than killing a little time. Play, quit whatever - but real first world problems (or serious priority issues) to rail against legality of the play.

[Bobafett345-1506]

@Bushi34-1427

to rail against legality of the play

Nice dodge. Doesn’t change how a pro company poster admitted to the game being manipulated.

@Bushi34-1427

but real first world problems (or serious priority issues) to rail against legality of the play.

even mega corps have to obey the law; actiblizz learned the hard way after abusing their employees and retaliating against whistleblowers for years.

All those donations to the governor of california’s campaign didn’t help much, and only highlighted how corrupt the company is. In the end, only paying less than half as weinstein shows how dirty the company is, and who the pro company posters support.

[Bushi34-1427]

@Bobafett345-1506

Nice dodge. Doesn’t change how a pro company poster admitted to the game being manipulated

Which pro-company poster? And what dodge?

Of course it’s manipulated - engendering competition, emotion and reaction is literally the modus operandi for any game.
Every food company plays on base human biological processes to sell you more crap you shouldn’t eat.
Every politician punches points to divide voters and make it an us vs. them issue (damn the nuance and true analysis).

All games, all aimed at gaining your psychological and financial investment. One can choose to play or not.

[SuddenReal-2703]

@Bobafett345-1506

diablow immoral payportal hard blocks your path.

Also, someone apparently doesn’t know about the guy who p2w so much, he literally was unable to match with anyone.

Wait, wasn’t the patent about how P2W players were paired with F2P players? You know, to show off the new cool gear? So, how is Diablo Immortal connected to that patent?

@Bobafett345-1506

And who is the parent company of blizzard?

It’s Activision-Blizzard. They’re still two different companies under the same umbrella. One doesn’t work for the other, they both work besides each other, under the same general managers. That’s why the name is Activision-Blizzard, not Activision.

[Killuminati-11956]

The existence of a patent proves that a patent exists. Nothing more and nothing less. We cannot, logically, point to a patent and make a leap in claiming it’s being used.

There are patents for all kinds of whacky stuff (i.e. time machines). This does not mean that they are being used.

[Wreckus-11540]

These devs don’t give a rats butt about anything but giving their elite/streaming players the wins along with their favorits and everyone else the middle finger. Declaring war on the dev. I want them fired.

[Bobafett345-1506]

@Bushi34-1427

Which pro-company poster?

Not sure who I’m responding to now?

@Bushi34-1427

And what dodge?

I quoted it. Do try and keep up.

@Bushi34-1427

Of course it’s manipulated

Trying to deflect, but that’s not what you originally posted;

@Bushi34-1427

No promise of fair game play nor competition is implied in an environment where one can purchase a significant advantage should one choose.

everything else is smoke and mirrors trying to deflect from this.

@SuddenReal-2703

Wait, wasn’t the patent about how P2W players were paired with F2P players?

terrible well poisoning is terrible.

|DING

@Killuminati-11956

We cannot, logically, point to a patent and make a leap in claiming it’s being used.

except for, you know…it literally being used, countless articles about its use in diablow immoral payportal proving its use and showing that the “it’s never been used” nonsense is just that.

[Bushi34-1427]

Lol and still nothing remotely related to the lack of validity to OP

[Bobafett345-1506]

@Bushi34-1427

Lol and still nothing

Best summation of your post. Answered your questions and you deflected yet again. Thanks for the bumps though.

[Bushi34-1427]

Once again off point. Touché

[Bobafett345-1506]

@Bushi34-1427

Once again off point

now projecting in high definition.

Answering your questions is “off point.”

Nice deflection, and thanks for the bumps.

[Bushi34-1427]

@Bobafett345-1506

Answering your questions is “off point.”

Nice deflection, and thanks for the bumps.

Question was asked if you were referring to me - as I am the least pro company person out there. My brief posting history and bans show that.
You have continued to post pedantic and non sequitur response off OP topic. Self bumping will make you go blind

[Fubar-1671]

@SuddenReal-2703

Wait, wasn’t the patent about how P2W players were paired with F2P players? You know, to show off the new cool gear? So, how is Diablo Immortal connected to that patent?

Afaik, it’s about pairing people who have stuff against the people who don’t have the same stuff. Then when you buy the stuff, you are put into favorable matchups for the stuff you bought (presumably against people who also don’t have the same stuff you just bought). So not exactly P2W Vs F2P, but your point should still be valid. The guy with the most/best stuff being unable to be matched with other people sounds like evidence against this patent to me.

@SuddenReal-2703

So, how is Diablo Immortal connected to that patent?

Well, Blizzard owns the patent. When someone claims a Blizzard game is rigged in a certain way, because Blizzard owns this patent, the game is therefor also rigged in the way they claimed. Diablo Immortal is a Blizzard Game. Just connect the dots.

Even if Hearthstone is rigged exactly as the patent describes, it wouldn’t cover half the claims people have made on these forums alone.

@Bobafett345-1506

except for, you know…it literally being used, countless articles about its use in diablow immoral payportal proving its use and showing that the “it’s never been used” nonsense is just that.

I tried finding some articles about this. Plenty about how horribly P2W and immoral the game is (which I agree), but of the dozen I clicked on, not a single one used the word patent. This isn’t actual proof.

Plenty of games out there have been legitimately proven to be rigged in some way. Hearthstone has not.

[Bobafett345-1506]

@Bushi34-1427

Question was asked

and answered.

@Bushi34-1427

You have continued to post pedantic and non sequitur response off OP topic.

still projecting, I see.

@Fubar-1671

I tried finding some articles about this. Plenty about how horribly P2W and immoral the game is (which I agree), but of the dozen I clicked on, not a single one used the word patent.

So, they describe the exact system the patent outlines:

“A system and method is provided that drives microtransactions in multiplayer video games. The system may include a microtransaction arrange matches to influence game-related purchases.”

But naturally your only defense is semantics.

@Fubar-1671

The guy with the most/best stuff being unable to be matched with other people sounds like evidence against this patent to me.

when the guy who paid six figures in diablow immoral payportal literally paid out of matchmaking (and exposed the patent’s ugly truth), the company literally said “glitch” and “fixed” the problem: i.e. made sure they could feed him more players. Like

@Fubar-1671

the people who don’t have the same stuff. Then when you buy the stuff, you are put into favorable matchups for the stuff you bought (presumably against people who also don’t have the same stuff you just bought).

@Fubar-1671

Hearthstone has not.

source: dude, trust me.

[SuddenReal-2703]

@Bobafett345-1506

except for, you know…it literally being used, countless articles about its use in diablow immoral payportal proving its use and showing that the “it’s never been used” nonsense is just that.

But you just proved that the patent isn’t used in Diablo Immortal since the whole point of the patent is to match P2W with F2P and you provided an example of which this impossible. So, obviously Diablo Immortal doesn’t use that patent.

@Fubar-1671

Just connect the dots.

But those are the only two dots. Every other (important) dot are on a different side of the spectrum, impossible to connect. If those are the only dots to connect, that’s pretty weak.