Death Knight.
Final answer.
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I honestly don’t see what the hooha about BSM is, by my estimation it’s a very high rolly deck. If you aren’t playing hyper aggro in this game you will be subject to all types of high rolls that’s just the nature of the cards they print with no thought to how they can be abused.
Ive described this in a separate thread. If you want to keep your sanity you got two choices:
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play hyper aggro to cut out the high roll bs, the faster you kill the less chance to be high rolled.
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take a break
Also, please explain to me how this high roll is better or worse than say the Marin highroll that can play over 50 mana in one turn? Arguably the latter is much more game defining.
I’m perplexed why people think high rolls are a novelty in this meta. No it’s the norm now ppl. Hyper aggro is the only choice if you want to play a game that is not a coin flip.
Will you stop already? This is completely debunked and cringe
In your little world perhaps, in the rest of the world this is, in fact, actuality.
Hyper aggro is less than 10% of decks by popularity. Your theory is delusional.
Because most of the population is a glutton for pain (pun intended) and suffering (apparently,) is by no means support of your statement.
None of the “hyper aggro” decks are Tier 1 either. Tier 2 maybe, not saying it’s not viable.
Hyper aggro isn’t the most popular, it isn’t the most powerful. The current meta is not at all a hyper aggro meta. You are objectively incorrect.
Aggro isn’t as good as you make it out to be.
Yes, aggro is waaay better than it’s ever been. Yes, it’s hyper aggro.
But the power level of the game in other areas has greatly gone up and counters it very well.
At best, aggro is really balanced right now.
You are right about the Mage deck though. It is high rolly, more consistent high rolly than before, but so is virtually every other non aggro deck right now. Marin is a big part of lots of highroll as well.
I’m playing Reno Druid now and eating BSM for breakfast. BSM has a very distinct weakness other than aggro and that is any deck that can put up minions early and above 3 health. And when Druid ramps and puts up a few decent minions, BSM folds.
I played BSM to legend yesterday and saw all the weaknesses. It destroys some decks and folds hard to others.
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I found this very frustrating.
Sigh. What on earth do you mean by hyper aggro?
Just print it out and tape on your monitor. Jaina for all classes all the time.
What do you think every Paladin player played before choosing Paladin?
Again, mage is a noob class.
What I mean is that it’s faster than ever before and bigger than ever before. It’s hyper aggro compared to before. How big the boards and minions get is way faster than before.
Look, you’re admittedly not playing the game so you don’t see it. If you played the game, you would see how fast the pirate stuff is. A board on turn 2 that is 2/2 2/2 2/2 2/4 is extremely common and not some highroll anymore. It’s the norm.
But the stuff other classes are doing have extreme recovery tools now. Everyone’s gaining armor and healing now so it’s not a huge deal.
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I’m assuming that every deck with Pirate in the name is hyper aggro. I’m assuming Painlock is hyper aggro. I’m looking at VS #303 and HSguru and I’m not seeing these decks as hugely popular. Around 10% popularity.
Look, if someone said that before the miniset that Rainbow Shaman was a great deck and a meta breaker, I’d agree with that. But if they said that
that would be a RIDICULOUS summation of the meta at the time. Completely and utterly delusional.
I am not trying to say that hyper aggro doesn’t exist or that it’s weak. What I am saying is that
- it isn’t the strongest
- it isn’t the most popular, and
- most importantly, it isn’t a comprehensive two word summary of the current meta, and I am NOT strawmanning yellow when I say that he thinks it is.
Yeah, it’s not. This isn’t a hyper aggro meta.
But the aggro that does exist is hyper fast compared to previous aggro stuff we’ve ever seen.
The tools that everyone has to deal with it has gone up as well. Recovery tools are really good.
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Yeah, when I say the meta is hyper aggro or scam decks, I’m not trying to imply that it’s a hyper aggro meta…
More that it’s your only option that isn’t a scam deck. If you play anything slower than these aggro decks (and there are not a lot of them around), your games are going to almost primarily be determined by some kind of play that you just go “well, this play was (or is nearly) unbeatable” and you re-queue.
It’s not really any more satisfying than playing the hyper aggro decks and just hoping you don’t run into healing/removal.
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https://i.imgur.com/jkNM0Y2.png
Just because you dislike the meta doesn’t make them scam decks.
That explains why I just saw three in a row. Leave it up to this community to exploit a busted deck right out of the gate
Huh, I’ve had 5 of them and just stopped queing. 
They are scam decks.
When I say scam, what I mean, and what I believe Smeet means, is that it’s a deck that relies on high roll or finds answers through a high roll when it’s losing in order to scam out a win. Imagine if everyone was playing Yogg in the Box. That’s what it feels like.
You play Marin and then Wand and just hope and pray it hits something big. It hits the Legendary summon spell. Oh, cool. That’s free. Play that. Discover Leeroy. Sweet. 18 damage to the face all because of a Marin scam luck.
Marin hits Yogg. Yogg is free. Play Yogg. Use ability. Random 2 spells scam out a win somehow.
This is A LOT of what the meta is right now. It just has different faces.
Again, if you were playing the game, you would see it.
For me, personally, a change I would like to see is change Marin’s wand to 0 mana draw 3 instead of 3 mana draw 3 reduce to 0. The reduce to 0 thing high rolls so many scam options it’s ridiculous, especially so in Druid. Druid is like the master of scamming out a win somehow. Marin wand into dorian sleep under the stars. Dorian and sleep under the stars play for free, hits eonar, eonar refreshes mana crystals, play yogg, etc.
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I don’t know how else to describe them, honestly.
Mage does Skyla/King Tide + conmen to make something virtually uncounterable as their primary win con.
Shaman does giant evolve boards. Maybe they blow you up with a tripled incindius instead, maybe it’s good RNG on the razzle Dazzler.
Priest uses Zarimi to blow you out, or Hedanis combo burst
Druid focuses on RNG from Marin/Dorian for overwhelming Mana efficient plays that aren’t reasonably responded to. Or maybe they blow you up with Concierge.
DK also aims for the dazzler high rolls
Handbuff pally eventually hits you with unsurvivable charge damage.
Warrior still has boomboss.
Insanity lock can full OTK you with a good popgar turn.
The common theme? Every one of these decks are doing things that you generally just have to kill them before THAT play happens. There are often extremely limited, or in some cases zero counterplay available to those actions because you are already dead.
The consistency of these kinds of plays is at an all time high in hearthstone. I can not remember another time where the meta was balanced around all the slow decks having these kinds of win cons that are designed to just end the game on the spot.
United in Stormwind was the last time the game was like this at all.