AFK Farming is terrible for all Servers.. Allowed or illigal?

[시나이-31751]

@Meteorblade-2266

What I asked for is for you to come up with a good reason why my position is bad and, instead, you keep falling back to telling me that lots of people disagree with my position.

You are acting the same as before.
You are ignoring the various things I have told and asking for bases. Do you prefer to focus on one thing rather than thinking about many things at the same time by any chance?
This situation has happened before.

@시나이-31751

I’ve been giving my opinion on most of what you said.
I already answered.
Since the answer is embedded in my previous post, I quoted my previous answer when you asked again.

At that time, you ignored the bases I gave and asked me back, and I quoted my previous answers saying that there are many bases in my previous answers.

Should I again quote the things I have said before just as it is?

And you are just repeating the same thing meaninglessly. What you’re saying are the words that I have heard many times already, nothing new. (This points out on your last answer, not on your every answer.)
(a) Tell me something new that refutes my bases.
(b) If you don’t have anything new to say, then just say ‘We have different opinions. There is nothing more to discuss’ and end it.

Let me give you examples of (a).
I just thought of a new base for ‘it’s not much of a disadvantage’ one of the bases which supports my argument.
There is no significant difference in the strongness of someone who finishes at level 19 higher than the server level every week and someone who finishes at level 14 higher.
One more example. please tell me something new like you said helliquary invite permissions as your base.
You and I have said and heard countless times that ‘AFK farming is bad. it may not be bad’.

@시나이-31751

Try saying something different.

This means the same as ‘tell me something new’.

Let me give you an example of (b).

@시나이-31751

‘some, huge, small, large’ is a guess. Since we can’t determine the scale of something that hasn’t happened, we don’t have anything to discuss about it anymore.

‘We have different opinions about ‘some, huge, small, large’. There’s nothing more to discuss.’

My style is annoyingly mouthy, wordy, trying to explain things in as much detail as possible.
Your style is stubbornly repeating the same thing.
I’ve felt that way since I first met you on this forum.

@시나이-31751

I looked through your posts, you repeat the same thing a lot. I already know your word well enough. It’s not that I forgot or didn’t see your word. I am just refuting by saying many different things.

Anyway, do I have to quote my previous answers again for you?
I’ve summarized it like this.

@시나이-31751

I wrote many reasons. Also, ‘ad populum’, which you mentioned, ‘majority’s preference’ is one of my reasons. I talked about what the game company did, I talked about the EULA, and I also said ‘it’s not that much of disadvantages’. These are all I can think of right now. I also talked about growing the Pie.

The details are stated in all my previous posts above.

And tell me your thought on my thought which refuted your thought.

@시나이-31751

You are misinterpreting it.
I have to repeat what I said.
Necro AFK farming is using features that the game company has made available.
Skills that the game company has made, mail acquisition feature that the game company has made, open-world farming features that the game company has made… The prerequisite for ‘benefitting, granting you an advantage over other players’ is ‘using such prohibited actions’. Necro AFK farming is not one of ‘such prohibited actions’.
You are the one who is not focusing on the full part of the EULA, not me. You are only focusing on a part.

You left this out when you answered.

[Meteorblade-2266]

@시나이-31751

There is nothing more to discuss

There is nothing more to discuss.
I’ll waste no further time responding to you.

[Fieserfetty-2610]

Still waiting for a Blue Post

[GarnMcGaughn-1559]

@Fieserfetty-2610

Still waiting

don’t hold your breath

[Janti-21787]

Even Blizzard doesnt know what to say about this. When i sent them a ticket, they couldn’t say anything clear.
It is possible to see such players everywhere on the map, but dont think of it as just exp or good items.
The are selling at least 5 or 6 orange runes a week and they do this with 3 or 4 accounts.
What will Blizzard do about this, of course the moderators need to explain it to us first. The competition is not on equal.

[Fieserfetty-2610]

Still the same fu…ing Situation

[BleatBox-1836]

@Janti-21787

The are selling at least 5 or 6 orange runes a week and they do this with 3 or 4 accounts.

I just had a chat on Discord with a fellow clan member and was surprised to hear about this very thing from him. His piece of crap lowbie AFK necro farmer is harvesting Orange runes weekly. And here I am, playing for months still sporting grey and blue runes.

How the hell can this possibly be fair to legit players?

[Britty-6649]

As far as I’m concerned who ever gets to the mob first wins it. Open contest is open contest.

[TechnicalGuy-11839]

@BleatBox-1836

PC

Allowing phone players to AFK farm is definitely creating an unfair advantage to phone players over PC players. As a PC player, yes you will get disconnected from the game and if you use any automated software to create the same environment that phone users have, you will be banned.

This unfair AFK farming is a blatant violation of your own EULA.

It is absolutely incomprehensible how your own EULA is being blatantly violated every minute of every day.

Please disconnect phone users from the game just as quickly as you disconnect PC users. This is the only fair action and one that will allow you to comply with your own EULA.

If you refuse to comply with your own EULA, why do you expect players to comply?

[LAR-2825]

I beg your pardon if I ‘awaken’ this general forum post … I ignore some aspects, perhaps already described and lost in the long thread, but I would like to have some informations

1. Chinese game version where afk farm is allowed …
   a - is it a specific function implemented in the game regardless of the device, mobile or pc, used?
   b - if so, is it applied to all classes?
   c - if so, is it applied to every character level, regardless of the class, whether they are normal/abyss/Hell?

2. according to the EULA for Europe afk farm is not allowed …
   a - the fact that some classes have ““eternal/self-regenerating”” benefits (I don’t know how to better define them) that do not require any ““keyboard action/game command”” how should it be considered according to the Eula rules?
   b - if considered ‘legal’, do the ““eternal/self-regenerating”” benefits that do not require any ““keyboard action/game command”” also allow those who play from a PC to not be disconnected for inactivity after more or less 20’ ?
   c - are these ‘benefits’ applied to every level of characters belonging to these ‘privileged’ classes, whether they are normal/abyss/Hell?

in my clan/server the discussion is open … it hurts to hear people say ‘change class, it’s up to you?’ aka ‘get sly’ …
to me … it really hurts me …
I agree with Fieserfetty …Blue post/Book, maybe ““new EULA rules for EU”” are neccesary … and if afk farm will be legal, all classes should be able to do it at every level

rules are rules

[MongoJerry-1110]

I just recently started AFK farming, and there seems to be a lot of misconceptions.

First, there’s a difference between AFK farming using regular game mechanics and using macros and 3rd party automation software. The later is clearly against the terms of service. The former is not. In my case, yes, I’m a necromancer. I don’t know why people are so focused on the Golem essence enabling AFK farming so much. It’s the whole package - skeletons that have always self spawned, infinite golem, mage that self spawns, and a shield that is constantly refreshed and heals the character. My main character very rarely dies during overnight sessions. My alt necros have a bit more trouble as a bad combination of elites can take them down.

As for non-necros, it’s harder but possible to do it. Mostly, I see mid-tier reso characters use an aggressive pet along with Void Spark and combinations of other offensive gems like Starfire Shard, Stormvault, and various dot sources. I’m not sure how they handle the defensive end as I don’t know all the essences for every class. But there are healing and shield sources from sets, runes, and magic affixes.

How overpowered is AFK farming? It’s useful, but it’s not as overpowered as many here think. Here, I want to differentiate true AFK farming where you set up for farming while you are away from the game for several hours versus semi-AFK farming where one checks in periodically to salvage and grab loot.

True AFK farming is only modestly helpful. Once your inventory is filled up, you’re basically down to getting 10 monster essences, 12 party gems, a handful of legendary items that probably won’t be good anyway, and quite a lot of XP - something that is only really helpful when the Inferno level is about to change. One may imagine that one would have a whole night’s worth of plunder when you wake up in the morning, but no. The game regularly cleans up loot from the ground that hasn’t been picked up for a while, so most loot and gold gets wasted.

Semi-AFK farming is more useful. The classic case would be someone at work AFK farming but checking in periodically when moments at work allows it. In this case, you can pick up and salvage all that gear, grab tons of monster essences, and sweep up all that gold. But again, this is semi-AFK farming. The person isn’t walking completely away from the game for hours. They’re playing the game, but only focusing on it sporadically.

[Meteorblade-2266]

@MongoJerry-1110

getting 10 monster essences, 12 party gems, a handful of legendary items that probably won’t be good anyway, and quite a lot of XP

Gotten whilst they’re not playing the game / asleep, i.e. an advantage over players that actually have to spend time gaining these by actively playing the game.

@MongoJerry-1110

They’re playing the game, but only focusing on it sporadically.

If they set up their hero to be able to automatically kill things whilst they’re AFK, and they check in once in a while to see what’s been earned, they are not playing the game, they’re just ensuring they get the most loot / gold from their auto-farming hero by emptying the inventory to make way for the next period where they’re AFK but still receiving benefits.

[Suspicious-11423]

AFK farming changed the game dramatically. It forced blizzard/netease to change drop rates as an example. It also changed server paragon timing. So many bad things for regular players. Necros abuse it horribly, my server is full of lazy overnight farming necro losers. Class balance? They are “automating” the game and unattended characters. How does that not break EULA?

[GarnMcGaughn-1559]

server paragon was changed well before afk farming became a thing on my cluster. It came over like a cancer during a server merge.

the problem is they have a two tiered system, where it is legal and encouraged in China but still breaks EULA everywhere else.

[LAR-2825]

I agree with you … two different system … chinese one & the other … but who can confirmed that on Chinese system there are not difference for charachter class (specific classess can do it for abilities/essencess & others no) , nor character level nor for devices, Mobiles yes PC no? if they can assure that no diferrences related to classess, level, device are present in chinese system, we can hope they will apply the same benefits, soon or later, also in the system we are playing … finger cross … for better … for worse…

[GarnMcGaughn-1559]

its 100% the same and its bad enough now making it ‘legal’ wont change a thing

[LAR-2825]

from my pov, letting all classess/lvl/device fo afk farm will Kill the game … any players will be online … nor will buy orbs or platin … just have xp & gold & scarps … I hope that someone is hearing & understand my pov …

[MongoJerry-1110]

It only breaks EULA if you’re using macros and/or third party software to automate things. Simply AFK farming does not break EULA.

[MongoJerry-1110]

@Meteorblade-2266

Gotten whilst they’re not playing the game / asleep, i.e. an advantage over players that actually have to spend time gaining these by actively playing the game.

About the same rewards as running 15 minutes of Trifts. But not everyone has 15 minutes to run trifts, so maybe your argument is that in order to be fair, they should drop trifts.

You seem to believe that AFK or semi-AFK farming is “cheating” or “against the EULA.” As long as you are not using macros or third party software to do it, it is not. Necromancers can do it more easily than other classes, but other classes can also AFK farm if built correctly. In fact, they have long been able to semi-AFK farm where one checks in once in a while to revive yourself if you catch an unlucky break. The only thing that has changed recently is the advent of full overnight AFK farming by necromancers - but as I said before, that’s not as overpowered as some people think.

[Dylo-21784]

i just come back after 1 year break almost. and after i see those ( farm afk ) i quit game. https://youtu.be/HZcrXvT7VY4