Thank you for the explanation.
I think the best would be if everyone could find their place in the game.
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Most of what they just told you is a lie.
Again another person who would rather respond then read.
I said the game difficulty level was much harder at launch than what we have today.
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How would that affect your game play? The game isnât difficult as it is other than a very few things.
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Yep complete lie, there he is trolling in the other thread, and then dragging it into here.
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Player power items . Yes agree, play to win.
However⌠extra stash space⌠that can be a grey area⌠because it also mitigates gold farmers (if blizz is actively banning these accounts)âŚno gold farmer is going to sink extra costs at risk of losing that investment due to account ban⌠ESO has subscription with same model (i couldnt get into ESO gameplay)⌠but in the 80+ hours i put into the game, i didnât run into bots like you do in Lost ArkâŚ
Yep. Lies. I never said the game should be easier. I literally asked in what way was launch easier than now and you came up with zilch.
You clearly donât understand a single point I tried to make in the other thread (and apparently donât understand why things end with a ?) and are attempting to twist it.
So Iâm just going to block you now.
Please do, I never need to hear from you ever again.
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I can still read your comments whenever an ignored shows up, genius. And write back lmao
Have fun sobbing.
I like this idea. Gimme! I want a zone where things are dangerous!!
@irres- be glad Farscape has ignored you, I like the show, but they never got back to me on my point. Sooo 
Oi! Farscape! I canât block your mug, get your profile off hidden so I can 
(geez, canât even block a guy when you wanna cos theyâre gaming the system with a hidden profile).
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Yeah hidden profile, totally not a troll, you can still block him from your preferences page. Under users. Just copy his username from the url of his profile.
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Iâll give that a go, mobile device tho, and the apps been crash happy
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Having paid for stash tabs is in no way pay to win! You can do exactly the same as anyone else if you pay for tabs or if you donât. They currently have a ton of tab that we can use most people call them alts⌠Just make a character and have them stash items in the inventory for you.
Giant cash grab on a fumbled lame and boring, 0 genre defining changes, release.I wanted to throw many monies at this game, but every turn is just more cash grabbing. Cant support the scum of what has become blizzard.
The former is paying for new content.
The latter is paying for power outside of content. Quite often paying to skip content.
It is neither same situation nor same outcome.
Yeah, it can.
Depending on how it is designed, it might not be pay to win, but it certainly also might be.
PoE for example entered into P2W territory with how they kept adding new âcurrenciesâ and stuff, and then added stashes specifically for holding those new currencies. That was just a classic example of how P2W alters game design.
WoW subscription definitely didnt stop bots.
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Paying for an expansion is paying for the additional content. It isnât the same as buying instant player power as you still have to play through that new content and grind to get those new items to drop.
If a player decides not to pay for an expansion, they shouldnât expect that new content to be for free. It has to do with D4âs current monetization model. Your not going to convince me that buying player power and convenience is a good thing in a game where you have to pay for the game and expansions. If you donât understand what P2W is or where the line is, trying to explain and teach you isnât going to help as you already have your own definition.
I think it would be a sin if they were leveling gear. That is clearly giving an advantage to a player in terms of player power. So yes it would be pay to win. Being so accepting of âharmless leveling gearâ is how companies get their foot in the door for players to accept full on P2W with buying full BiS gear sets from the shop. Playerâs looking to keep the game even remotely fair shouldnât even budge a millimeter on this lest you open pandoras box.
If you donât think adding P2W effects gameplay, go play Diablo Immortal or Lineage 2: Revolution for mobile. Sure it sounds harmless (in the context of a person new to the internet or someone from the year 2000 getting into gaming) until the game devs program in road blocks into progression that fleeces your wallet in order to get past said road blocks. How would you like to pay $1.99 to use your buttons for 2 mins? I bet you would love it and ask for more ways for them to rob you.
No it isnât. Not when you buy the game. Extra stash space is a convenience system that should be free if you BUY the game. If the game is completely free, sure buying extra stash space or character slots makes sense. Not in this monetization model thoughâŚ
Imagine every player has 10 inventory slots. You have to constantly go back and forth to town to empty your bag. Now imagine if you can pay for 90 more inventory slots. Well those that buy are getting a convenience advantage as they donât have to go back to town as often to empty their bags. The same with storage space. Imagine the time investment in cleaning up your stash if you had a 5 tabs versus the paid 10 tabs?
Time investment is an advantage in video games. If you reduce the time it takes players to do inventory management through buying with real money, those players have more time to kill monsters, earn xp, and get more loot to drop versus someone that doesnât buy the extra stash space. Its not just personal looting decisions at play here. There is a real tangible benefit to player efficiency by buying the extra stash tabs. That is why it is considered paying to win in my book.
If every player gets the same stash tabs through an update though, they are on the same playing field.
I played other video games where they do surveys about gameplayâŚinstead blizzard makes a survey about how much money are we willing to give them
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I see your point. As a slippery slope, yes; it could be dangerous to accept it. But as a standalone I think, for me personally, it is only a minor advantage.
That is somewhat shameless, yes.
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What you call power, IS content. If someone buys a weapon that has better stats via MTX, and another person gets to the same place via buying a DLC or expansion, they have arrived in the same place from a competitive perspective, and via the same means, money.
And besides, I thought the argument here was about power, not content. If itâs about power, then it objectively is the same situation, and same outcome. You pay real money, get access to content people who didnât pay the money donât have, and become more powerful in the process. Thatâs the exact same thing that happens with MTX.
Introducing the idea of content only muddies the water. If itâs about paying for power, then you either are, or you arenât.
But players donât decide to pay for expansions in a vacuum. They do it knowing more power will arrive in the expansion! So itâs absolutely P2W! You buy the DLC/expansion, and you get more powerful, whereas someone who didnât, doesnât. And now two of you have pulled this content argument out of thin air, like it matters. If youâre paying for power, youâre paying for power, the packaging doesnât matter.
Suggesting that some level of content prevents the purchase of power from being what it is, thatâs like these old men who have sugar babies they buy groceries for, then try to convince everyone the relationship isnât exactly what everyone knows it is. Not fooling anyone. She wouldnât be with them if she wasnât getting paid, and no one would buy DLC and expansions if they werenât selling power.
The fact that there are people out there endorsing selling stash space in a $70 game is extremely alarming to me.
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