Diablo 4 gets alot of undeserved hate

I don’t know if you have any kids, but if you give an allowance for a certain amount and then arbitrarily take it away or lower the amount, the unsurprisingly result is a lot of animosity. This is why a parent has to be very careful about how fast they are increasing the allowance as the child gets older and has more expenses to cover.

Here in the game, that of course translates into how they handle permenant power creep.

To a further extent this also includes QoL features. It continues to be confusing how basic code management is fumbled with the QoL improvements that were introduced.

Some examples are:

  1. Horse spur cool down and spur time being matched to where a play can continually spur across the map if they chose. But this improvement was reverted back to a previous state.

  2. Chest and whisper ‘vomit’ being sped or batched into higher bundles so reduce the time waiting for the burst to stop. They fixed this previously already, but now it’s back to the long wait.

  3. Goblin event where the loot was put into stackable bags so the player didn’t need to pause their game play flow to wait for the loot to stop dropping or run out of inventory. They fixed this early into the event last season, and now we are back to the original state again.

etc, etc. These are just examples of how the game keeps regressing their own good progress and annoying the player base.

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You can go ahead and watch Asmongold, Raxxanterax, DM (Darth microtransaction), Quin69. All avid ARPG fans, basically all that three of them play. I don’t know what the hell you are asking here “Streamer but avid ARPG”…Does being a streamer not make someone an avid ARPG fan, or are you just cherry picking here?

Asmongold, Angry joe, the act man…you could do a cursory search on Youtube but you won’t because it doesn’t fit your narrative. I can’t post hundreds of links here, my guy.

I don’t care what you entertain, you aren’t important. You can look up the vids from the creators that I listed above. You can also type in something like “Why is “X” game bad” and you will get hundred of videos nuking those games from orbit…every patch.

IDGAF…LOL

I post after I go into town and sell off some inventory once in awhile. Ill do what I want.

Really? Again, go do your own research. The retention rate on POE2 is pretty crazy. Let me help you out. POE2 had a last 24 hour peak at 428,000, with 311,000 playing just right now. D4 just had their 24 hour peak at 10,000 with about that much playing right now. On twitch D4 has a following of 775,000 with only 334 people watching. That is right around 0.05% interested anything D4. POE2 has 115,000 followers and had 75,000 watching. Want to take a quick guess which game is retaining more people, with far more people interested in its content there buddy? Yeah, not D4. And POE2 is just in early access.

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Whut? You obviously don’t understand the subject matter. Toxic positivity is when no matter what the devs do there will always be the cheerleaders in the back seal clapping. This signals to the devs that what they are doing actually works. Usually this occurs with the sunk cost fallacy crowd. The game that they paid money for, and spent a lot of time in couldn’t possibly be bad, right?

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There’s no doubt that they are avid ARPG fans. The issue here is that some of those you listed, particularly DM and Quin69, made a base out of over dramatizing games, in case of D4, outright trashing it. It is their content. They get views/clicks/donations/subs. Literally profitting off of it. However at the same time, they are influencing the people who watches their content on a negative level. It is one thing if it is fair and factual but it is not. Ergo their motive is profit driven & that means they cannot be trusted or relied on in any way.

Those numbers are actually pathetic for a game that’s hyped to be the next coming of ARPG’s. AB is staring down numbers from Warzone looking at millions and are making billions of dollars & the game you’re talking about is not even breaking a million.

Your mistake is that you think the developers are so stupid & they’re not. Every alteration and addition no matter what the players say, are in line with the vision of the game designers. This is also true for GGG. They will not take away or put something in the game just cause people asked for it but will instead resolve the issue in their own way.

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Imagine calling someone mentally defective because they dont worship blizzard, more like the exact opposite. Kissing blizz butt as they churn out mediocre content seems like a serious mental defect to me. White Knightism?

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The thing is, it’s not good to kiss anybody’s butt for ANY reason. I am ABSOLUTELY firm on that. The issue is you guys have normalized kissing GGG butt = okay but lighting Blizz’s butt on fire while not the other way around. Both companies need to be treated the exact same. If they f— up, they should be roasted and rightfully so. If they do good it needs to get the credit they deserve.

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Correct, I roast them daily for putting out so much engaging content in EA

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What a load of BS and nothing more than speculation at best lol. When they were first playing the game they had praise for it, up until midgame and late game. They also have played every season fully and when there was good in it, they gave praise…when it was down bad, they said so as well. It isnt just them, you can look all over Youtube and player base numbers don’t lie. Gamers vote with their time, and money.

Those are only the numbers we have from steam, and being early access a lot of people are waiting until it fully comes online and is free. You know this too but that doesn’t fit your narrative to put it in such a way. For an early access game to achieve those kind of heights, AND knowing that it will become free to play later is pretty majestic.

Really? Why have they made so many changes that the player base has asked for if they are sticking to their vision so hard as you claim. If it were true we would still be farming renown, statues, and waiting an hour for helltides. Pits wasn’t in their vision either, its literally ripped from D3, poorly.

You obviously don’t know what you are talking about. Two weeks into the early access they have had a couple major patches relating to player feedback. You would know that if you were actually playing the game.

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Nobody “hates” DIV but theres many people who wish it would make things better.

Btw… tomorrow is easter bunny time :pig: <— thats a cat. The cat says woof like this elephant here :chipmunk:.

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views/donations/subs is speculation? it’s a matter of fact. It is PRECISELY how they make money. I’m sorry that you’re so clouded in judgment that you cannot be fair about it.

Then why did it say in the company’s financial reports that D4 MTX made 100’s of millions of dollars? This is your logic we’re working with not mine. They would’n’t have been able to make that $ if something was not right.

Yeah and for D4 you’re missing the numbers from Battle.net where most people playing D4 on PC are, and also console numbers.

Those changes makes everything smoother but it still falls in line with their original vision. They wanted you to be done with farming/gearing up prior to max level and that’s still true. They wanted you to be doing certain content to get to another tier of content (field events/bosses > summoned bosses > pinnacle bosses). There’s a whole flowchart that they showed you in the Campfire chats. I’m sure you’ve seen it. All that has not changed.

No, you’re getting it wrong. You still have to do renown but you NO LONGER have to do it over and over again. You still have to find the statues, but you NO LONGER have to do it over and over again. You’re still doing Helltides, but you’re NO LONGER waiting an hour to do so. You get it now? You still do all that stuff, it’s just more comfortable.

Not only do I know EXACTLY what I am talking about, I can SHOW YOU Reddit posts that detail what that is. As I said, GGG fixes stuff in their own way and not in the way people want them. For example instead of implementing movement speed boosts, items, etc they allow you to warp to previously discovered checkpoints. Diablo outright gave us the horse plus aspects and other combos. GGG wants you to be running around gigantic maps & that’s exactly what you’re going to be doing.

You’re clearly mistaking devs responding to players & issuing a fix with giving what players are asking for when that is not happening at all. The devs fix it in their own way & you still have to deal with their design decisions. The player did not get exactly what they asked for, or else they would’ve gotten a Skip Campaign function which we have in Diablo & POE does not. The devs essentially flipped you the finger & you praised them for it.

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You will get alot of undeserved hate for this ^^ statement.

Let the new people to the game enjoy the early game.

If it’s easy or hard so be it.

D4 deserves all the hate for being the most epic failure of ARPG for lousy storyline, lame character development, no endgame and cheezy seasons. The expansion was the final nail in the coffin for D4 for an even bigger extreme poor storyline and god awful new characters and idiotic new area. Now with each new season they want to Alienate their own player base that don’t own the expansion and withhold content and features that will be exclusive to the expansion. Rod and his wannabe lame team failed and need to be replaced.

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Lots of hate, i enjoy it drop rates for 2 or more GA is atrocious but all in all its a fun game, debating getting POE 2 to check it out. Fresh outlook on the genre type deal

You are saying this to someone who had all Ancestrals before or in Torment 1 on two characters. Not sure what your experience was, but there was no need to move past that.

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  1. Private Profiles. :rofl:
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You were speculating that they were getting those views, subs, and donations based around them trashing games. Im sorry that youre so clouded in bias that you think everyone is out just to crap on your favorite ARPG.

I know they said they did from a “Leak”, lets see some actual statements. Im excited to see quarter 3 and 4 from 2024. I promise you it wont be a fraction of what was earned at the top of its hype.

Same with POE, I was drawing from steam only. What I can tell you is that the last time that I hopped on the most I saw in social nearby players was five at any given time in the main hub cities. My clan of 150 is dead, sons clan of 150 is dead. 54 people on my friends list, which consists of mostly active traders…is dead and has been dead. Small sample size sure…want a larger sample size, take a look at twitch. Much larger metric and I haven’t seen more than 1k watching even at season start.

Then explain to me why the decided that the gear chase for ancestrals was nuked from orbit. They wanted the gear chase far beyond max level and this was done for optics in their reports.

Blizz fought, in the early campfire chats, to keep renown and statues implemented until the backlash from the community became fervent. The community rebelled and they had to change their “Vision”. It was a time sink for them.

Again, because of the community.

Because of the community literally asking for this on the forums. There is movement speed items in the game.

They stated they are looking into this for future changes…again, because of the community.

The devs literally gave us what the community was asking for. Higher drops on all items, especially currency. Changes to honor for melee, bump rolling through mobs was conveyed to them from streamers. All within two weeks.

No one asked for it. It is a part of the POE experience and there isn’t an issue with it. This might be because of the Non casual nature of the player base compared with D4. You are delusional.

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Lmao, getting blinded by the White Knight

Damn, how did I miss that one? Good catch, adding it to the list.

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Totally not the originally definition. White Knight is from the Arthurian Legend and white is meant to illustrate purity.

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I’m not even touching this. :rofl:

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