Played S1-S3 and had to take a break due to career and work. I had some time this winter.
After revisiting LE and playing a bunch of PoE2 I think D4 gets alot of unnecessary hate.
The end game isn’t perfect but it seems like they have made alot of good progress.
Infernal hordes, undercity, pit, and changes to NM dungeons feel great. The gearing seems more frustrating around T2 because you are essentially just farming Ancestrals and then masterworking and fine tuning affixs. It’s a bit tedious, but all games based on Min/Maxxing will to be grindfests at some point.
I overall have throughly enjoyed my recent playthrough of D4, and I hope to see them bring together endgame a touch more because they seem close.
F.y.i game is WAYYY to easy early game. Im lucky I made it to T2 because it was insane how easy it was before T1. Remove a difficulty or something.
Nah, I paid for the game which gives me access to the forums…at this point the forums are endgame and will continue to utilize them until I feel like there is legit no hope left, which is creeping on up pretty quick.
This isn’t your own little ecosystem to cultivate nothing but positivity about your favorite game. This isn’t your own little insulated bubble of security. You are going to see others opinions of the game whether you like it or not, and you are going to have to grow up and be OK with that. Didn’t years of school, and joining the workforce make you understand that you are just going to have to deal with other people?
If it weren’t for those complaining you would still be waiting an hour for helltides, farming statues, and farming renown every start to a season.
FALSE and it’s a FAIL for you to say even “think” that.
Yes, you have people here on the “DIABLO FORUMS” who Like Diablo 4, but I can honesty say (as much as YOU can say) that these “white knights” don’t think the game is the greatest game. D 4 has it’s issues, even those who vouch for D 4 have said and acknowledge that. But no game is perfect.
Not even the Other game.
So don’t put words in the mouth of those, other then Yourself.
No. They implemented almost every idea poorly including the ones ripped from D3. You can’t find any fault with the actual devs of the video game, you have to blame the players? You can’t be real, lol.
Is that supposed to be an attack on just the people you disagree with, or does that encompass everyone that posts on the forums including yourself?
Yeah, strange to see people blame everyone else except for the devs - the actual people who are paid to steward the game and make the calls on what gets implemented. It’s their job to see through the noise and make sense of the complaints.
Darn right I blame the players. The Devs obviously had a vision did they not? They wanted d 4 to go to it’s roots, all dark and scary and difficult like Diablo 2. But nope, people didn’t like that apparently.
It’s a general statement. Those who take issues with that comment only have themselves to blame.
You don’t understand the situation clearly then. Their vision was played out, it is dark(er)…Even though its still more in line with high fantasy than D2 ever got to. Difficult? D2 was difficult? D2 wasn’t difficult, you had dumb bots that could do the entire game for you, and they did for most of the top rated players on ladders. If you meant hunting for Zod runes, that was dumbed down by chest runs. D4 was never difficult, ever.
What people didn’t want was waiting an hour for helltides because NMD’s were bugged and boring. They wanted the open world to mean something. They did that right by basically removing the timer. Then the players wanted more monster density, they did that right because for months there was way too much dead space. The players didn’t want to run renown, or hunt statues every damn season, blizz did right and removed those. You should be thankful for the players that conplained because of them. Those changes happened. If they stuck to their “Vision”…this game would have been completely dead in the first half of the year.
They just can’t get the loot right…in an ARPG about loot. Everything is a slot machine, a very expensive slot machine. They are trying to force builds into uniques, and ruined ancestrals so you couldn’t really “Play your way” instead focusing on cookie cutter crap. There is no build diversity because they can’t wrap their collective heads around balancing skills, passives, and classes. Better fire up that meta if you want to push pits since that is the only form of endgame progression, or you are on the struggle bus. And, RIP sorc, again…
It wasn’t a general statement, it was an attempt to sling mud at the people you disagree with. Those people are filthy for saying anything negative against your favorite game. Why can’t you all just have your sweet echo chamber where everything is just wonderful?
So, go ahead and thank those complainers. They have had a rough ride trying to convince these devs how to make their game better…because in the end, most just wanted to see it succeed and got booed off the stage by D4 zealots…while still enjoying the changes they forced the devs to make.
They’re still mad they spent $70 over 18 months ago and it was such a large portion of their financial stability… I mean man they had to stop going to Starbucks for 3 days to be able to afford this and now it doesn’t live up to their bloated expectations… of… r/yestheworldrevolvesaroundme
Edit: to the OP there are plenty of people still playing the game if you’re on eternal you’re going to run into less people than you would if you’re on season… You also have to keep in mind that the people you see are limited to the number of people that are in your particular shard on the server this is not like world of Warcraft or other games where it’s an open world and everyone is packed into the same viewable area I can’t remember the exact number… That’s why if he join in a group with someone you may be standing right next to them and not see them until you’re in the group… As far as chat you have to keep in mind That trade chat is also separated by difficulty tiers… And also buy chat shards so that you’re not constantly bombarded by every single person in game typing in the same trade chat
Sometimes if you don’t see anyone in trade chat or in the major city log out of your character to your character select screen and log back into the game and it will change the shard that you load into… Also if you’re just beginning remember a lot of people are already at max level and more than likely in torment tier 4 so as long as you’re still in the lower difficulty levels and leveling you’re not going to see nor be in the same chat with those people and that’s where most people are especially this late in the season
Acceptance is the first step to change or something…
And yes, it’s not this specific game or even these specific devs but a prevailing attitude in the video game industry that values profit over apparently anything.
Then why did the Devs change Diablo 4 when it first came out to what it is now?
For some people it could be difficult, for others perhaps not. I’m also sure you an get bots to run any ARPG game.
Though you and I both can’t tell/won’t be able to tell what The Devs would of done eventually, and granted not ALL the changes they’ve done is Bad.
I’m perfectly fine with the way the loot system is, though it could be better.
“My” Statement is a general statement.
I never said or implied anybody being Filthy. Don’t put words in my mouth.
I think is because many ARPG streamers make videos about D4 Bad to farm views for their channel, they are the one who spread the hate.
There are many terrible AAA game like Starfield, Halo Infinite and Battlefield 2042. I don’t see many hate videos about them, as players stop play those bad games and move on.
i wouldnt say it isnt deserved its 1.5 years in and an xpac sold already and the game is still in this state. they do have a solid foundation to build on and could make the game amazing but at this point i highly doubt we see that. tho marvel rivals and poe2 taking so many players maybe they will finally get that kick in the butt they need.
sadly those type of people cant exist out of there echo chamber, ie the ignore anyone that has a different opinion. guess complaints werent needed on release it was a perfect game at that time… lol
