Am I tripping, or do characters look too genderneutral?

Maybe a bear right before hibernation. I don’t mind characters like that being in the game. I mind body types being tied of this heavily to class. If you’re going to add character creation you can add a better variety than this. Free to play Korean MMOs have substantially better character creation than a AAA game developed by Blizzard. It’s pathetic.

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So… Twitter Freaks then?

You people always like to try and use this tactic of “Being a decent accepting human being”, and yet are the first in line who will go out of their way to act like a bunch of hateful sods whenever someone says anything disagreeable.

In life, there are simply some behaviors that should not be, nor ever should be acceptable. Like Canada’s healthcare system.

I will take “Things that don’t happen” for 200, Lesley.

Funnily enough I had a look at the Diablo 3 characters that appear in Diablo 4, and… Yeah. Night and day difference.
And you even have the male and female symbols instead of “Body type” still present in that game. At some point it will be safe to say that D3 is a better product visually than D4, which is saying something.

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Yell yeah, they do. It is kind of a hallmark of those style games and all the people are super pretty too, I think? I honestly have not played one so could be wrong on that. I think it tends that way though as a general art style. Blizzard has limited char creation in all their games, even WoW. Only in recent years has that even marginally improved, with the Drackthyr being pretty awesome as far as options. Even so, all the races have set body types, no sliders.

Blizzard has never had the char customization that many other games, even going back 20 years, have tried.

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Look man the characters are not gender neutral you just have to choose between body type 1 and body type 2 okay totally not some agenda guy you’re just imagining stuff all a fabrication probably created in a lab okay

I really cant go further than this…

You’re arguing a post talking about how people hate other people based on their appearance, and you begin defending your opposing position with “you people”.

Man, it cant be this easy to see my points speak for themselves. Must be my lucky day.

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So what this became another acceptance battlefield? Don’t you people have anything better to do than go crying about the forums about how people not wanting to play a certain character offends you?

Look here, I don’t care about you or anyone’s feelings. People wanting to play a necromancer who does not get confused with one of her skeletons or a druid who looks like he ate the whole bear, is not a direct insult to fat or skinny people. It’s just people playing a fantasy game wanting to play out their fantasy. Why you making a big deal out of it?

Oh, so the people in here hating the druid for being “fat” or the female necro for having a “small chest” arent the ones who made this a big deal. Got it.

I agree and it’s a problem. If you’re going to make online RPGs that you play with other people character creation is typically a big thing. It’s lazy and cheap for them to not put more effort in. Just because they’ve always been awful at it doesn’t mean it’s an excuse to continue to be awful.

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People come here and say they would rather play a not fat druid or a not skinny necro and then you show up and go on about hate and victimhood. People just want to enjoy their game. What’s so hard to understand?

Plenty of people enjoying this game not making a huge issue out of the “fat” druid and “skinny” necro. Whats so hard to understand.

The only one making this an issue here is you. People just asked for options while the game is still in development.

I mean I don’t care about big chested or sexy character models but this character customization is just boring and lacks character

I’m pigeonholed into 1-2 character models that look good the rest look goofy and out of place. Tattoos are kinda lame.

I long for the days of Skyrim or even Neverwinter nights where I’d spend HOURS customizing my character model. It felt great.

Also the hair physics is broken and bad.

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Im not sure what you’re following here, but I didnt make a single post about finding the character apparences offensive and Im not the only one here in opposition to those that did. There are plenty of posts from players being deliberately offensive. Im sure you’re defending your personal sense of innocence, and I can respect that…but I have no intention of respecting anyone who is deliberately being offensive. There are players in here using political ideology to deliberately be divisive on this topic and im not okay with that - nor should you or anyone else be.

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It’s pretty safe to assume blizzard does indeed want their characters to look one way and not the other.

They intentionally made the amazon uglier in D2R.

This is the original design (outsourced): https://twitter.com/HosseinDibaArt/status/1445074660312371208

And this is what it turned in to: https://i.imgur.com/WoYhzMC.jpg

Exact same thing happened with Sorceress too, original design:

Turned in to: https://i.imgur.com/qoLw7EV.png

Assassin got raceswapped from eastern european to asian.

As for D4, at least I’ll save save a lot of $$ by not having to buy cosmetics to a character model that I don’t enjoy to begin with.

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I get you are complaining about D2R, but D4 is a lot like the original and similar to the images you just posted. Hair style is different of course.

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You’re a bigot. How you refer to people you hate doesnt make a difference - its all the same to you, isnt it?

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The face and body options across all the classes except maybe rogue, imo, are very very bad by being limited, and maybe in an attempt to represent everyone, not actually representative of anything. sad

I noticed this too. Specifically when creating a new necro and presented with the two body type selection screen - I actually had to compare the two faces for a few seconds before I could tell which was male and which was female, as their bodies looked 95% identical. I’d recommend to Blizzard to stop fooling around and make the body selection screen clearly distinguish between the two sexes, with appropriate labels, and then if they still feel that the “gender neutral” stuff should be in the game, make appropriate body customization options to bring each of the sex more closely to gender neutral look.

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Blizzard is a woke company - what did you expect?
Just look at forced “body-positive” (fat) druids and “not objectified” succubi and compare them with Andariel or their counterparts in D2R.
Also character visuals selection editor is horrible in general for 2023 AAA title.

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When I try to quote, it causes an issue with posting so apologies for the formatting as I try to best answer your comment.

“They are not gender neutral! That is the whole issue with this thread. Apparently without DD cups some people can’t tell a male from a female. Bone structure, facial structure with fuller lips, more facial fat (not counting necro), etc. I can post all the pictures again and ask you - can you really NOT tell the difference between men and women without giant neon signs?”

I feel like the hyperbole is unnecessary and takes away from whatever you’re trying to say. I do not know why you have this strange obsession with breast size. If you can point to where I felt this was relevant in anyway, I’ll address it otherwise I don’t know what to say.

It’s not that there is no difference between a man and women, but the lines are purposely obscured and it is obvious as can be seen by the jawlines of the women, for instance. Breast size irrelevant.

It is done sufficiently for me to not enjoy the characters available to us in the character creation screen, as a player, that’s all I care about.

“Really? I get that the screen animations are duplicated between the two, but that does not make him not a man for doing spell casting hand motions.”

I did not know this and it explains a lot. The picture that you showed of the sorc, the shoulders laid back and if you look at it from a different angle, the gesticulations are quite feminine. So, if the animations are the same, you can see how this makes it hard to argue there is not some push for gender neutrality, right?

“That is a whole lot of assumption on your part. Wow. Again, the chars are not gender neutral unless you intentionally TRY to make one that way, and if you can’t tell them apart without DDs that is not some agenda.”

I feel like most of what you have said, including your obsession with breast size, was an assumption as well, and an incorrect one at that, no?

The bottom line is there are few “masculine” or “feminine” options for the players to have as characters. I’d like to give you another assumption - because if there was, then people would predominately use those models and the developers would have to remove the more “gender neutral” options in future products as they’d be seen as unpopular. If you’d like a conspiracy, there you go lol.

In all seriousness though. It isn’t an assumption. Look at:

  • the Dracthyr in World of Warcraft, gender neutral
  • the consistent addition of lore-breaking items to World of Warcraft that also lean to the preferences of the new developers (pink/blue hair for humans with no in-game lore reason as a simple example)
  • the removal of gender from their games (showing male/female)
  • any of the personal twitters of the developers
  • the character creation screen in Diablo 4

There’s no specified “agenda” either, I don’t know why you keep bringing up this point. Maybe it’s a crutch you rely on for your arguments. All I’m saying is that the way they are approaching character design is more exclusive than inclusive and instead of enjoying the game, I have refunded it as there was not a character that I wanted to play. It’s a weird hill to die on for the Blizzard developers.

I’d like to add, that the “lore” specific reasons for characters to only look a certain way, was also the same reason used by quite a few racists on why certain character options (for players and NPCs) should not have been included in the new harry potter game. Something to keep in mind as you keep pushing supposed “lore” as a reason on why masculine/feminine characters shouldn’t be included in the game.

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