8 Million+ copies sold but almost no retention

Yeah I am still playing, all my friends are still playing. We are just taking our time. We play every day just not all day(jobs, family stuff).

I got in early access, my highest is 53, then I have one at 40 and a few others in the 20’s. What I am trying to say is everyone plays differently.

So my friends & I are not rushing to 100 at all. And I am sure many others are like this.

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What level are you at OP? It sounds like you aren’t very high level, it takes quite a bit of time to level up at the higher levels. Especially as most people won’t be playing at max efficiency. The game hasn’t been out that long and most people can’t spent 8+ hours a day playing it to level.

Not to mention rerolling once they hit a certain point and want to play something else,e level 100 stats aren’t really that useful for player retention. I’m not saying that there isn’t a player retention problem, maybe there is. But honestly why do you care about player retention, do you work for Blizzard? If you are having fun and enjoying the game it doesn’t matter if Blizzard has 10k, 100k, or 10 million people playing.

On the other hand if you aren’t enjoying it, don’t play and wait for changes that maybe make you want to play. Either way player retention doesn’t mean anything to you since you’re not Blizzard.

I couldnt wait to play each day. Even bought BADazz gaming laptop with a 4090 to play on 86 inch tv in the evening comfortably instead of at the PC.

Now, first thing i did today was looked at the forums rather then boot up the game. NExt im going to check out youtube.
Then log in and look at my stash and get irritated and open the map and scratch my head then probably attempt to upgrade something and run out of gold trying to get a roll, and afk/semi play the rest of the day.

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“Lost most their playerbase”. Thanks for the laugh this morning.

What you really mean is, people aren’t rushing to 100, have jobs and are enjoying the content. Yes, that’s true. With 300 million hours played, seems like the playerbase is pretty good to me. :wink:

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If u want to play seasons then getting to a 100 as a casual is worthless which means they wont buy battle passes.

I was gonna buy battlepasses the 10 dollar version figured its worth 40 a year butbafter seeing the grind needed to go from 50 to 57 no thank you.

I paid for season 1 already so i will start it but i know wont get to 100 b4 the season ends which is fine but i wont throw money away.

Never got a max charavter in d2r cause at 85 u hit a grind wall i got better things to do then running mind numbing baal runs 100 times.

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Hitting 100 is a grind. Especially if you are playing solo and not taking advantage of the high density dungeons that are all getting nerfed.

There is a number of issues with this game at 87 currently.

  • The gear scaling in this game makes no sense. At level 87 I’m getting weapons that are worse than level ~70 weapons I have equipped. Why is this a thing?
  • There is no reason to do harder nightmare dungeons. The smartest thing to do is farm the last remaining high density dungeons on normal before the fun police (Blizzard) guts them.
  • Nightmare dungeons are not nearly rewarding enough. The XP and loot from them needs to be buffed significantly. The only reason to do nightmare dungeons, which is the most difficult scaling content in the game is to level your glyphs. They have no other purpose.
  • Player power needs to be removed from renown. It should be strictly cosmetic and achievements.
  • Respec costs are way to high. I want to experiment with other builds. I feel like I can’t because the cost is to high to reset my board. if you want to reset your entire main board and paragon board you are looking at 10-20 million gold each time depending on level. Literally just make it free. They are ruining the game with how expensive it is to respec. There is a literal 0% chance I’m making another character to level to 100 because I want to try another build occasionally. I’ll just not play the game.
  • Rerolling gear is to expensive. I tried rerolling a neck a few times and spent around 20 million gold. I ended up deleting the neck because I’m not about to spend 100 million gold to get a good roll.
  • Every time there is a new fun build here comes the fun police to gut your spec. Seriously Blizzard what is the deal here? Stop nerfing good builds. Look at builds nobody plays and buff them. I’m so sick and tired of the current developers attacking fun. It’s all you guys have been doing in the last week. Enough is enough before you lose your entire playerbase. Revert the nerfs. All of them. Buff the bad builds and buff the bad dungeons.
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And most of those will be the exploiters/bots and whatever other cheats they came up with that blizzard hasnt patched yet.

I bought and will continue to buy the BP if the cosmetics are good. I would think with such a focus on zoom zoom that no lifers would not have time for cosmetics, plus statistically speaks they may not have the income of the 8-5 crowd to support that.

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Same group of clowns who thought 50 was “endgame” no doubt then realized how much they were not in the end game lol.

I’m at 70 and it’s still fun despite blizzards best efforts with excessive nerfs, buggy classes and garbage servers. The horse never works right.

Correct.

Hot take, they’ve nerfed more builds removed more aspects and gutted more leveling areas then they have addressed bugs or server issues. Focusing on controlling the player base rather than quality assurance is what’s going to cost them in the long run.

I’m getting heavy spikes right now because of ‘server tuning’ which will no doubt leave me with less to do rather than more while at the same time not addressing actual quality issues with the game.

I’m going to assume the worst because there has been no communication and all of Blizzards decisions regarding D4 since launch have been the highest level of bad faith.

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I wouldnt call level 100 endgame, I would call level 100 beating the game. Why would I want to beat the game in like a week…
Did you expect most people to beat tears of the kingdom in a week?

I feel like I’ve sunk a ton of hours and I’m still only 58 on my first toon

No you didnt… I just upgraded a neck, 2 weapons, 2 armor pieces for around 3 million. Run one helltide in WT4 and sell all the yellows you get from it, and you’ll easily get 1.5-2 million. So after the initial rush of upgrading ALL of your items you may upgrade as you break into WT4, money is not THAT big of a deal, depending on if you are constantly respeccing(which I agree with common opinion, respec costs are too high).

Enchanting an item over an over again is not the same as UPGRADING. Enchanting an item repeatedly comes with an exponential increase in cost. If the cost was pennies, then why bother at all? Why not just let players decide the stat they wanted and how much was on it? Theres supposed to be a risk vs reward factor involved. Making enchanting dirt cheap eliminates the risk vs reward of enhancing your gear.

Your post is a bit hard to follow. Are you saying that someone needs to be level 100 to complete the Battlepass? I don’t think that is the case at all.

A casual should be able to finish the free Battlepass journey each Season, then decide if they want to buy the cosmetics - and because they are done already, they just get all the cosmetics at once. That way they don’t waste money on maybe finishing the requirements.

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I never hit 100 in diablo 2, and played that game for over a decade. Your statistic means absolutely nothing.

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Hardcore ARPGers assume everyone is wanting to rush to 100 the most efficient way possible like they are, and thats where their real game begins.

Where for most people, 1-60/70 is the real game and getting to 100 is the peak that MIGHT happen someday.

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Dude…

Getting to 100 is something that takes a while unless you exploit XP gains like those folks were that were spamming that dungeon that was granting 10 million XP per hour.

Of course there are only 6000+ players who have hit level 100 so far. It’s not easy to do. It takes time and the game has only been out just over a week excluding early access.

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i’m 64. you know some gamers have to work. i dont see that somebody with an 40h week job can be 100 now. maybe by skipping sleep ^^

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It doesn’t say anything about losing their playerbase. Some people are really out of their mind if they expected most people to no-life months worth of content in a week or two.

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Or, most players aren’t guzzling Code Red and staying awake for 3 days to level to 100. They are likely enjoying the game at their own pace and not complaining on the forums about “nothing to do”.

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Nice of you to leave out the 300 million hours played, BTW. :wink:

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