AH is pointless is already too easy to equip a character, you have cube and cadala and a lot of leg drops on rift and GR
Yeah no need for in in 3. I would be in favor of one in 4 if for anything to make trading easier.
Yeah. Only through AH (no direct exchange as it was in classic) and only 1 time (as in D4 now).
To do not allow to sell anything outside AH and to do not allow to spent the time on AH for search of top items for low price and reselling them by âtrueâ price (i.e. the main reason of devs against AH).
AH in this thread is the same as trade in D4 with additional limitations:
and without additional limitations of trade in D4 (that canât allow to sell top items hence it is useless at all).
Moreover, AH is the only possible way to provide the simultaneous interaction of millions players avoiding one to one interaction of them which do not like even players of PoE and which is the hole for this:
and so:
Further:
Exactly for this purpose AH suggested here as optional feature - addon + additional checkbox for the ratings which hide all players that use AH from them by pressing of it. In the classic there was possibility to play without AH but there were no distinctions between ones that used AH and ones that did not use it.
No problems: just do not buy AH-addon, play without it. 
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Credit card warriors at it again lol
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Agreed, they tried it before and it doesnât work out in the long run. More so when real money is involved. There is just too much hassle for such a thing to work.
Please come back the gold farmers and your 24/7 botting
Also noticed you have said nothing about the biggest negative side of the AH
The 24/7 botting of your account so you can sell items
All you are going to do is to increase the botting in game, itâs not like most of the people selling when the AHs were around werenât botting and even if you do get banned you can easily buy another 5 accounts, gold farm to make a profit and to pay for the 5 games and go straight back to botting 24/7
the point is to avoid credit card warriors
D3 is ok, without AH
adding one is just unneeded catering to the players that already finish every season within a week.
-donât add an AH and trading at all, it seems best.
Ah was a filler in Vanilla you got bored playing, you could look in ah to kill time. The amount of legs that drop now its pointless. Lets hope they have some sort of idea on economy in D4 
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You both forgot about one simple fact - it is RoS, it is not classic. Now there are rankings and fishing of the rifts for them. Now there are bots which farm paragon. Gear now (even top-gear) is the smallest (insignificant) part of the rankings. Hence now there are no pay2win at all (even with AH). Even in classic these âcredit warriorsâ were just clowns in the most cases (with 0 skill). Now, in RoS, no AH, but still there is the way for pro-players to spent their money - on bots and on the new accounts of D3-RoS.
Just open your eyes. And yes - in D4 there is trade.
They are already here. If you do not know about this.
This feature there is and now. Devs must fight with them. To hold their EULA.
And yes - as I already said (see above): you forgot again that it is RoS, not classic (so there is big difference for the gear and its profit between these 2 games).
At first, such bots and their users do not affect rankings at all.
At second, they can do this (and do this now) if they see that they can make profit > cost of D3-RoS-AH-addon. Anyway, it is additional profit for Blizzard.
At third, you skipped such moment in this thread:
Solution against the third type of botters.
And also it is solution against anyone player that want to sold anything for real money.
One more quote:
And one more my additional suggestion to solve problem with bots once and for all by the simplest way:
Users can still use bots, but they do not affect rankings at all.
Exactly, for this purpose there is such way:
âYour Credit Warriorsâ are in the another rankings than yourself (who do not want to use AH). Moreover, you can show for them that they do not have skill (as it was classic) at all if you will be upper than they in the original rankings. Hence, no problems at all.
For this purpose there is such item:
for ones who lived season after completing SJ.
Exactly.
If you think that having GG gear wonât help get you to the tops of the leader boards then I think you are putting too much into paragons. Gear is what makes the build. There is no way that paragons are the end all be all of the rankings.
The proof is in the pudding as the phrase goes. I have seen those on the leader boards with lower paragons but ranked higher than those with paragons higher than them, I have seen the difference of around 1,000 paragon. So paragon isnât all what it is cracked up to be.
Want more proof just removed the gear and see if you are still gonna do in the millions of dps with paragon alone.
I checked all of my posts in this thread and I havenât said anything about P2W. That is for threads that are talking about free trade and it is for D4 not D3.
As long as there is no AH D4 will be fine. Get over it already Blizz has done the AH for Diablo 3 and wonât be doing it again for D3 or D4.
You are not gonna sell gold for real money. Along with gold being super easy to get. Add to it, spending it wisely and you wonât ever have to worry about gold.
Yeah they surely do, they bot to get all kinds of things such as gear, paragon, crafting mats, keys, etc⌠The repetitive and boring things that players donât want to do or donât have the time for it. Then when they get to playing the game they use all the things that their faithful bot got them for things like reforging legendaries to get the best rolled gear. Paragons will give them extra power on top of the well rolled gear.
Bots time is coming as Blizz has said in a thread on THud users.
With the existence of trade even in your idea there will still have to be changes to the drop rates without that even the really top tiered gear would sell for pennies in less than a month with current drop rates. So finding gear would be much harder than it is now.
You are just wanting the AHs back so players that want to bot to get gold and gear to sell for real money can do so. Get over it already Blizz wonât go back to the AHs days at all.
True but they were also here botting for equipment to sell when it was just the AHs and if you bring back trading they will just add that bit back into the bot if it was ever removed, so instead of just farming for items for the AH like they did originally and changed it for xp and key farming and bounties for the LB and you think the bot makers canât make a bot that does both
So you think that botting for top end equipment and paragons isnât going to affect rankings, if that was anywhere near true why are people complaining about bots according to you they have no affect on the LB, which everyone but you knows is false
And you obviously not here during D3V because the botâs back then were specifically made to collect items to sell on the AH
No. No real money involved at all. Otherwise itâd make the game âpay to winâ.
Maybe for cosmetic items.
I think that you do not understand what I said.
Influence on the rankings in decreasing order: random in rifts, paragon, gear (I mean - primals vs ancients, of course, not - as you thought - players without gear at all and players with it). Thatâs why in your analysis of rankings you can see people with lower paragon on the higher positions: ideal rift + skill. From the other side, paragon has much more influence on the rankings than gear - thatâs why there is problem with bots and after ban-wave such players will disappear from top places of rankings - they used bots to farm paragon 24/7 because it can give them advantage that prefer one that can give them Primals vs Ancients. I thought that it is evident things.
In this thread there are also posts of another people, not only yours.
Trade is the worst version of AH. With all its holes.
And what?
Nope. Your âwell rolled gearâ (top primals vs top ancients) canât give enough power in comparing with the power that gives paragon and that gives ideal rift. So - even with top gear and with paragon from bots one will need still to fish rifts (and to play in them showing his âskillâ) for that to reach higher positions in the rankings.
Bots time came. Blizz already banned some botters from the top of rankings. Thatâs all that they can do.
No changes at drop rates at all - it is the one of the items of this thread. Your words about âprimal top gear for penniesâ are just words (like ones of Bliizz) because you do not understand what are you talking about and canât analyze the idea of this thread. Just simple quesion: can you provide at least 1000 profiles of players from the current season (with bots or not) that have primal top gear? You canât. But you think that with AH all players (hm, millions of them) will have primal top gear (for pennies). Very strange logic. From one who think that all these millions players will farm top gear only for you only (for 1 player) and will do not buy it for themself.
Letâs remember classic and its recepies with the cost of 2x109. What amount of years bot will need to farm in classic to collect SUCH amount of gold? Or what is the number of bots botter should have for this (to farm such amount of gold for small enough time)? I.e. what number of copies of D3 this botter needed to buy for that? Very simple questions which show full artificiality of such arguments.
They already did this. In D4. Trade is the same thing as AH but it is less convenient and with the same holes as AH of classic had and that were removed in this theory (first post of this thread).
The minus of this logic in such moment: botters spend their money to buy copies of D3. Time by time. While - with AH with real money - they can just to buy all they need without bots. The third type of botters (that used them to make real money) do not affect rankings + they are filling AH by items, so they are just slaves of another players as it was in classic too. And one more time - now gear (I mean: top primals vs top ancients) is the insignificact part in the case of rankings (due to fishing of rifts, special gameplay in them and profit from paragon).
Sometimes people complaining about things just by the reason that they (people) do not understand them (things). I demonstrated this fact already in this thread when people said âNoâ even without reading the first post. Moreover, their first arguments prove this fact because such things were already solved in this theory (of ideal AH without holes). To understand influence of different things on rankings ones need either calculate the appropriate values by themself (to compare profit from different gears or different paragons or different rifts) or just to ask about this top players. I did both things and top players suggested my arguments.
This can be fixed by this:
But there is also such moment:
So when you tried to solve problem with bots you also affect another players. Your argument looks like this one: âthere are so many bots, so letâs remove rankings at all - no rankings = no botsâ. 
Though, of course, it is not solution at all, just because after removing official rankings will appear unofficial rankings (like diabloprogress in classic or unofficial tournaments with real money rewards now in D3: RoS). And, of course, players will continue to use bots.
One more writer, not reader.
Take off the gear on a character and the millions of damage drop like a rock to in the hundreds of dps. A character with 3400 paragon with gear would have in the millions of paper damage with gear. But without it only around 426 dps. That alone says that paragon isnât the sole source of power. Because if it were then paragon would carry the sole power and gear would be secondary. Gear is what makes the build and paragon is just and extra source of damage.
So it should be in decreasing order rifts+skill, gear, paragon (this is because a character without gear only does a few hundred points of damage)
Botters get an advantage of getting better gear from their bots. That is the advantage outside of using them to farm paragon.
Regardless of what suggestions the players give the AHs are not returning to this game and will not make an appearance in D4. Get over it already.
They bot to get all of those things, not just paragon. Again get off of the bandwagon that paragon is the sole source of power in this game. Gear is what makes the build and paragon is just an extra source of damage.
Maybe they will make some changes where botting wonât be that much of an issue. They could increase the size of the hacks team so that each game can have their own hacks team. Then those teams would police the game that they are assigned to. This would mean more frequent ban waves along with better detection systems in place to catch them faster. Along with possibly even breaking the bots so they donât work anymore.
Look primals are not needed to complete the highest GRs in the game. Well rolled ancients with the right affixes will do the job just fine. That is what I am talking about when I say top tiered gear. Primals are just a time sink nothing more nothing less.
That is the gear that would flood the market killing it very fast in seasons and non season.
Bots collect gold 24/7 and ones that know what they are doing no doubt amassed a ton of it from the gold AH itself by flipping items.
In a non AHs trading system the drop rates wonât be nearly as low. That is due to the fact that you donât have instant access to millions of drops at a glance on an AH page. There is where one of the flaws of an AH is and that is why drop rates would have to be worse than the normal person to person trading in any game that supports it.
You demonstrated nothing, the auction house was such a hated thing for most people that they wanted to get rid of it and just the mention of it is no because it was such a cancer to the game
And the only people that are complaining about no AH are people like you that just use it as a money making tool and not to play the game and are just mad because now you canât make easy money botting 24/7 to get items to sell
Removing the LB will remove the botting issue, or havenât you noticed that it is only the LB chasers that arenât top spot that only complain about botters that MAY be above them
Well it wonât stop the botting but seeing as there is no money trading or top spot on a meaningless LB no one would care if you bot or not
Hell I could bot 24/7 in D3 and no one would complain and the reason no one would complain is because I have no interest in the LB, so no one is going to care if I bot
In the season you obtain full set even without farming of it (during journey, as gift) and spent some small time to take other legs and only after that you will farm paragon and will fishing rifts. You canât do the last 2 things without having this extra-damage and I - when I talk about gear and its influence - compare profit of the top gear and the profit of the gear which collecting does not take big time.
With your arguments, must be such system: gear > rift and skill > paragon. I.e. you are wrong even with your argumentation.
What rifts and skill are without gear?
Wrong. In the season anyone can take needed gear (I mean - the first version of it and even middle version) without big efforts. Bots are not used for this at all.
I repeat again: trade is the worst version of AH. With all its hols. And trade now is the part of D4. I.e. the worst version of AH is already in D4 because âplayers want itâ.
You missed again this moment:
I do not compare players with and without gear.
I compare profit between top gear and medium one.
When they will do this, then we will speak about this.
Very interesting thing: now you suggest that the top gear (primals) do not give enough power in comparing with ancient items. Do another step - bots canât give advantage (for rankings) in the case of gear (ancients vs non-ancient legs, primals vs ancients). After this you will see that neither bots nor AH can affect rankings at all.
Market can be killed only by flooding it by primals (the most rare items) and you understood already that this is impossible, especially in seasons. Flooding it by items that are the garbage that are dropping everywhere and salvaging canât kill it.
Did you hear in classic about bots that could collect 2x109 of gold for small enough time? Nope. No one heared about this. But you still think that they can do this now. Very funny. Moreover, you canât provide info about years or number of bots I asked for.
D3 RoS:
- ancients - the effective drop rate of legs was decreased in 10 times;
- primals - the effective drop rate of legs was decreased in 400 times comparing with one that was at the start of RoS.
Thatâs why players asked about returning AH back - because effective drop rate of legs was decreased in 400 times (to the same or even low value that it was in classic) but AH is not returned back. So your decreasing of drop rates was did already.
You are wrong again.
- you do not know exactly - most people or not, but returning of trade in D4 (due to not enough success of RoS - because we did not see the second addon (with new act and so on) at all) could suggest you that you are wrong about âmost peopleâ;
- the hate was not to AH itself, it was to some features according to it (low drop rates and farming of AH instead of farming game - like devs confirmed about the last thing) which were removed in this theory (of ideal AH); and this fact does not see ones that write their opinion in this thread without reading the first post of it at all; and I demonstrated this fact many times already.
Some fans asked about AH many years in many threads.
In D4 devs returned trade due to fact that many players want it.
I developed and suggested the theory of ideal AH that allows to return many players back (ones that do not buy RoS at all and others that leaved RoS and moved to PoE).
And yes: I neither used AH as âmoney making toolâ or âmoney spending toolâ or even âsimulator of stock marketâ - I played in this game (D3 classic) without all these features. But I solved all problems with AH of classic because I can do this (and Blizz canât).
Now there is youtube and there are streamers that making real money on their gameplay. You did not think about this. And yes - there are already unofficial tournaments for real money. Though players will still complain about bots.
Like players on PS3 complain about cheaters.
Wrong. Example - D3 on PS3 and cheaters.
Players complain about such cheaters, though - due to your logic - they couldnât.
I didnât say that, I said they wouldnât care because I wouldnât be above them on the LB after all the only ban waves people are calling for is for the LB and basically everyone above the complainer is a bot because they arenât on top
Every single bot complaint starts with
The top of the LB is full of bots, so clean up the boards so I can be on top
Is that why there was a non stop stream of complaints about the AH
Which is why the AH was hated, because you was forced to go to the AH and pay ridiculous prices for equipment
Since the closure of the AH there is only a whisper every now and then from people wanting to make money from the RMAH and wouldnât come close to the complaints raised about the AH when it was around
I am yet to see a constant stream of complaints about no trading in D3 since itâs closure like there was against the AH when it was around
And thatâs going to stop botting how?
Itâs not like they are selling items in D3 for a profit
and there is nothing stopping them from streaming as well
and someone being silly enough to make a donation of their choice to watch someone play or bot is not the same as you must pay this much for this item
Keep living in your little dream world where paragon is much stronger than gear. Where paragon makes the builds instead of gear.
Oh and players wouldnât want top end well rolled ancients and maybe some strong primals. I think that they would want that and bots could very well be used to get it.
I have said regardless of the suggestions the AH will not return in any form in this game. Regardless of what D4 does. I say that the only thing that might happen in this game is the gift system of trading that is in the console version of D3.
That top end gear in every slot along with good augments will make a difference.
Like I said primals are not needed for the top tiered GR clears. It is not like Blizz decided in order to get anywhere near a GR150 you must have all primal gear. Since that doesnât happen and it takes a long while to get useful primals means that they are not needed. Since they are not needed. The gear that is truly top gear isnât primals but well rolled gear with the right stats. Which will likely be ancient gear than primal since finding useful primals is hard to do.
Look a market that is like you are wanting an AH will get killed by primals being very common in no time at all. That is because you have millions of players that get in the tens to hundreds of millions of drops a day. When you have access to that kind of gear then primals will become common place.
Again like I said in the quote they were botting for gold by playing the AH as one method. They no doubt had other methods that I am not aware of or care to know about.
Wah, wah, wah, I need primals in every slot daddy dev. I canât do without them, yes you can Veruca Salt.
Again they are a time sink nothing more nothing less, much like paragon. They are there to keep us playing the game.
What you donât realize is that the top tiered gear well rolled gear (ancient) for a variety of builds will go from a good price to vendor trash within a short period of time. When you have access to millions upon millions of drops there is no way that you can prevent top end gear from becoming vendor trash.
More people came back because of the AHs removal than the ones that are not here. There were threads of ones returning when they heard the news of the AHs removal. Also like it was said before real money auction house wonât come back at all because of legal issues.
AH is the worse thing happened in Diablo 3, doesnât belong in the Diablo universe. AH is one of the thing who ruined Diablo 3, and now you want it back? Give me a break! You have a WoW team and a Diablo team. Stop ruin Diablo with crappy Auction House, paragons etc. WoW lovers, stop ruin Diablo please. This is not WoW, this is Diablo. Go play Diablo 1 and Diablo 2 then start to argue whatâs good for Diablo. WoW players only have WoW in their eyes. Diablo fans know more what they want in Diablo than WoW players wants in Diablo. Itâs like, Diablo players doesnât argue what they want in WoW because itâs two DIFFERENT GAMES.