I fear we are the ones with the water hose and balloons and someone else is making a great job as a goose!
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The reasons why I think so I have already outlined.
You will understand what I was talking about when you try the option I proposed and evaluate it by the fact of the presence, and not bias - for the time being, you are in your happy ignorance of the breadth of possibilities around you and therefore are not able to discuss this issue sensibly.
You change the text of your posts after the fact, hoping to gain an advantage in the dispute? Сongratulations - you are an experienced veteran-troll!
I will definitely be because already, a little bit is not enough for complete happiness and I already said why.
I know what those terms mean, but I mean name-calling as well as the anecdote “wisdom comes with age, but sometimes age comes alone”. No matter how long you spent in the game, this does not make you omniscient and absolutely right in everything - it only makes you proficient in the matters you have encountered, if, of course, you wished to gain this experience.
The age of sitting out pants is a bad argument.
Something I did not notice here those who would boast that they use channeling skills with this set and they have no problems with this. Why? I think because with such mechanics they don’t see the point in this anymore and start using other builds.
This is due to one of the reasons :
- when players stop telling developers that there is a bug
- when, the developers decide to kill such a build and due to the “new” edition of the mechanics, it loses all meaning and using these skills takes them out of the game balance, which is also a kind of bug, as it deprives players of a variety of gaming possibilities
So this is a bug for a different reason.
No. It’s not, because :
No. I am well aware of how it works now and I use it this way and that.
No. I’m expecting to press and hold the skill key once how can i do this with normal skills without having them work correct with spamming. The existing mechanics of this set make channeling pointless in the form in which it implements it because everyone will be spamming.
You knew, for example, that before each movement was done with a separate click, but over time this has changed and now you can press and hold the mouse button and run in the direction specified by the cursor without clicking again and again? Although why would this be done if the existing mechanics are right? This question is the same. Something is going wrong If with this set the channeling turns into spamming. And it doesn’t matter if it’s a balance bug or a mechanics bug - it’s still a bug.
They didn’t even try this build in work and suggested other builds, not a solution specifically for this - throw this build away and don’t bother. That is why they do not fit - these are not solutions to the issue, but its replacement with something else. I wonder, why would I want this?
Have you tried it on yourself again? I also give you quite logical and reasonable arguments, but you refuse to accept them. So I can argue with you - which one of us does not listen to reason and who is talking to the wall. You are completely satisfied with the current situation, because you don’t care - but I don’t.
Well, of course, to silence the problem or ridicule the one who raised it and call him a noob, after all, it is much easier than to admit that it exists not only in his head. And most importantly, you don’t need to do anything, because by closing your eyes to the problem, you can pretend that it doesn’t exist.
Hmm, instant damage, but inflicted over a seemingly long time? Good analogy, thanks, I laughed at this joke about how game mechanics work.
What did you try? Offer to throw away the build? Oh, thanks.
You are wrong because we are talking about different things - “I you - it’s wrong” and “you tell me - spit and forget”.
What could you do? Chatting a game bug so that he would be ashamed and go away? So it is not solved.
Are you trying to play the role of all three at the same time and it scares you?
Well, of course, flooding is the best way to deal with a problem that you are otherwise unable to deal with.
I repeat - try my build, unbiasedly assess its prospects even with this problem, and only then you can rightfully pretend to be an expert on this issue and tell me exactly how I do not understand the mechanics of this set.
Just try my whirlwind meteor build with 6 pcs Tal Rasha set. Then you see that it on my 500 paragon and being not fully balanced already deals up to 10 trillion crit damage and allows kill bosses on torment xvi without special problems in a maximum of 5 seconds.
To use it later for yourself or not - that will be your business, but at least then you will be objective in this issue. And even if you have the desire and good will, you can advise me something to improve this build - then that will be a real help.
I can show you the video, but you’re not interested, are you? You can choose any of the adventure game bosses, which can be killed in one stage. I can get tense with two stages, but I don’t see the point in this - with one stage everything will be clear.
“I haven’t tried it, but against it” - is a sure sign of an overage noob with a complete lack of a reasonable approach to the issue. So for now you all are acting very unprofessional for the expert veterans you think you are. This makes me very sad and I guess I don’t want to become the same veteran of this game as you.
Why? It’s broken. It doesn’t work. We’ve been telling you this all along, but you refuse to listen. There is no need for us to “try” it because we can read and comprehend the set bonuses, we have experience with the game mechanics, and we know when a build just doesn’t work. If you want to continue playing your stupid build, no one is going to stop you. Just stop blaming the game for your stupidity.
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As the set is working exactly as described / intended, if you truly understood how it works, you’d stop saying it’s bugged. As you continue to say it’s bugged, that means you don’t understand how it works. You’re upset that it doesn’t work how you think it should work, rather than playing it the way it actually works.
It’s hard work from the prejudices of the swamp to drag not an elephant - a hippopotamus!
Even if a mouse got bogged down there, you will hear only in response - shoo shoo!
Are you sure that we are talking about the same build now? Okay, tomorrow I’ll make a video for example with Adria - as they say “practice is the criterion of truth”? So let’s check it in practice, are you right as you think or still not.
Just let’s check it tomorrow and find out if you yourself understand the mechanics of this set as well as you say and in general did you understand at least a word from what I wrote in my last posts or only letters.
Good night!
Once again, this season I played a Wizard using this exact set…
I understand how it works just fine, thanks.
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How you see it’s not broken and work perfectly. Guardian of GP81.
Not bad for almost one-week build as it was assembled from what was at hand.
I need to play around with it and see what I can do with it.
Well, a little later I’ll get together and make a better video with a description, otherwise it slows down a little when recording a video, which makes playing a little inconvenient.
So, a 7 second long video of you channelling Ray of Frost with a GR guardian that dies to the very first cold-based Meteor that drops on it. What was this supposed to demonstrate / prove, other than you not using any other element, and thus not causing any other meteors, i.e. exactly what we’ve been telling you?
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The reason you see edits is because I correct typos after I post!
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You still insist that the set is malfunctioning even though numerous people have tried to explain to you why this happens.
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I currently have dissintigrate in my setup, BUT I cast it for one second at a time, just to trigger the set meteor.
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There has been critiscism to the Tal Rasha set in the past about the element rotation and how the set meteors triggers, but no changes came.
If you wanted to critisize that then this thread would have taken a very different path. Instead you claim something and stubbornly deflect all help, explanation etc.
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Ohoho, so you not only a butt reader, but also look from there? You can’t tell a meteor of one element from another?
What one element, if you didn’t notice, then first a lightning meteor fell, then an fire meteor and then a cold meteor - by the effects and rings from meteorites on the earth you can see who fell how. One meteor - you are a dreamer. It is especially clear how the health of the guardian decreases with each fall of his meteor in several stages.
At least you wouldn’t be disgraced already.
No, I not told that the set is malfunctioning. I said that the channeling skill doesn’t work properly with this set - his meteor only hits once at all, no matter what other types of damage dealt during that time by support skills and this is bug.
I get a little faster, but about the same. So of course much faster and more damage, but if I are lazy and do not rush to deal it as much as possible, then I can simply channeling the skill and the other two of theree types of damage will themselves be applied, alternating with each other. Enough for most mobs.
Just about channeling - everything else seems to be ok.
Мaybe yes, maybe no. None of those present here hastened to check on their own what this version of the build gives and whether it can be improved by modifying. Well or did not share the results - everyone spoke about his build as the best for him.
Of course I approve my own, since this is the only moment that I don’t really like in all this.
And of course I refuse, since this help involves the creation of another build without much need for it, and explanations - ahem, how should I put it, from people who just as stubbornly talk their own, no matter what - “you don’t understand how works this bonus set”. What is there that is not clear? They somehow forget that I use it to the fullest by spamming the skill, and not just channeling.
For example, @Meteorblade in video saw only one meteor in general, and even that one turned out to be the wrong one. It looks like I need to make another video, at short range, so that you all can see it better.
I have to repeat - my build is working, but because of this bug, it requires spamming the skill to get a full result from it instead of channeling. That is, contrary to common sense, spamming becomes preferable to channeling, only because of the need to proc one of the two/three meteors. Мaybe the developers forgot that there are support skills, who knows.
No matter how some would argue the opposite, but there is no their fictional instant damage, which is stretched for the entire duration of the channeling - each iteration of the damage dealt is calculated separately by the mechanics where different effects from passive modifiers can trigger.
Yup, you are certainly a miracle of a player. Who knew that a noob can show what everyone else clearly missed, despite having poorly sorted out characters. Good luck getting anyone to help you in the future. You made it clear you refuse to listen to anyone else.
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Good to see that some of the information you got in abundance have made it clearer for you.
It is your choice to use any skills and how you use them from now on.
Have fun and happy hunting.
Because we talk about different things with them, and it seems that in different languages.
If this is not the case, then show your build with channeling and we can discuss it in detail.
Otherwise, feeding the trolls is a thankless task…
I actually immediately said that the conversation is not on the subject of discussion is flooding.
It seems that I clearly expressed why I consider this moment a bug, but I did not hear a single logical argument why this is not so - how the set bonus mechanic works now is not an argument, since everyone walks on the legs that they have even if they are crooked.
Especially since you admit that developers sometimes don’t fix anything when them are told about it. )
In the video of the my first post it is clearly demonstrated how the set bonus mechanics work now and what ambiguities there are with it - there is nothing incomprehensible. The last video shows, although not all veterans could see it - even with a build assembled on the knee, you can deal with bosses without special problems, and of course, mobs with a lower rank.
Do you need a special demonstration of pulling mobs to the position of the cursor through which the ray passes?
At my paragon level, no caldesans and many hours of crafting, as well as even more hours of farming, playing irregularly to make a working build from the trash of the form that you found something and it fit, and get the result - veni, vidi, vici?
That’s enough for the smart and it makes no sense to try to overstubborn a stubborn - he will never be able to admit he was wrong, believing that the growth rings on the back callus make him infallible.
This all reminds me of a joke.
Once the pianist began to try to prove to the conductor that the piano is the best instrument :
- I masterfully play my piano, no one can do it better than me!
- Excuse me, but I do not need a piano to masterfully swing my stick!
So, you can masterfully play on your skills like a piano, but the Ray of Frost is a conductor’s stick, not forgetting that instead of a stick it can be a flute, on which you can also masterfully play a melody.
All I was trying to say about my build is that when Tal Rasha set with the right meteor buffs and using the Ray of Frost skill as a conduit for the side effects of the Energy Twister build, it becomes relevant and quite easy to use, except for the moment with spamming.
I admit the idea that the developers might want to force the players to think for themselves and look for new approaches to this issue, and not mindlessly follow a workflow proven by others, but even so it looks like an outright bug.
And of course, if there were those who would want to help with the improvement of this build, I would never refuse help. But since I don’t see this here, then what kind of offered help can we talk about?
In general, let’s not pour again from empty to empty and don’t try to convince me without trying the build in action - if you are so sure of your position against, then argue objectively point by point, logically explaining why this is not so - where, what and why. Not like “this can’t be, because it can never be”.
Thanks and the same to you.
Yes, channeling skills do not work well with the new Tal Rasha.
In the past, that was different.
It is still not a bug, just an incompatabilty of gear and skills.
Twisted Sword, Etched Sigil and Ranslor’s work well with LOD Twister build, though it is very slow.
Twisters can work with Firebird, which is also a Channeling build.
edit for grammar.
edit2: A square peg will not fit in a round hole no matter how hard you pound it.
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Our builds do not have channelling abilities because the set works by rapidly rotating between different elemental skills, i.e. it’s not supposed to be played with channelled abilities.
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TBH 1 week of assembling Tal is enough to pass 120+ if not 130+ if you knows how to wiz. GR 81 is done instneously with some Tal gear, don’t need full setup.
Try to understand the game first and not imagine how certain mechanics works. Play 1000 more hrs on wiz like them before arguing they are wrong.
However, with support skills it works. And if you use spamming, which is not very different from your playing skills as piano, all effects work completely.
Try to conduct such a small experiment - with the Storm Armor skill turned on, select alone mob and, turning on channeling, hit him and before lightning strikes, take the beam to the side where there is no one, then wait until the lightning causes a meteor to fall and after this return the beam back to mob.
After that, you will have two options - admit that this is a bug or admit that you have no common sense at all. Why? Because even when the beam was turned on, nevertheless, during this period it did not cause any damage to anyone, that is, after the lightning hit, no other damage was caused. Turned on channeling that doesn’t hit mobs virtually dealt own damage?
So which option do you choose? For some reason it seems to me that despite all the absurdity of this, you will choose the second.
But the round fits perfectly into the square hole and you don’t have to put in the effort.))
Oh man, again I want to ask through what place you perceive information?
I seem to have already written in detail about the support skills that allow you to use the channeling skill for this, and even the both my video demonstrates this. But and here you are again showing your contusion.
You too? If you sit all week and do nothing else, then it’s possible, but not in my case, when I don’t have a whole day at all. Although I would be interested to see how you do it.)
Yes, yes, at first you tell me that I don’t understand how it works, then that it won’t work and finally, you appeal to your veterancy and the number of hours that you spent in the game, no matter in what capacity. You yourself are not funny from your words?
If you look carefully above, you will understand that what they claim and what I got in practice differ in my favor, not theirs. That is, they spent their 1000 hours somehow not as they should.
Storm Armor and Familiar are long term, auto-casting skills and will not interrupt channeling when they hit.
Any other manually cast skill, except Explosive Blast and Magic Weapon, will briefly interrupt the channel thereby allowing the channeled meteor to hit again.
I did test it using Disintegrate and it confirmed what I (and others) already knew.
A channeled skill will only bring down a meteor on the first enemy it hits.
This is why few people attempt to play Tal Rasha as a channeling build and why Firebird uses Explosive Blast. Precisely because it does not interrupt the channeling of Disintegrate.
I will still use Disintegrate with Tal Rasha, but only in short bursts and with anything but Storm Armor on my other mouse button.
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My confusion is how you still don’t understand how this set actually works despite an 80 post thread telling you.
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