I’m good with being unfair to D4. 
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Yea for sure with some games.
I can’t even recall the last game I bought that had nothing additional added to it after purchase. Hell, even D2 had an expansion, and that was over 20 years ago.
I fully expect at least 3 expansions for D4 regardless of any microtransactions. Meaning no matter what Blizzard has to make them.
Any other Battle Pass designs should be condemned.
And yep, imaginary premium currencies should be illegal (as in, all MTX that is being sold, should be purchasable in real currencies)
99 out of every 100 game I play dont have a battle pass. No need to quit gaming luckily.
PoE doesn’t have a Battle Pass afaik?
Wouldn’t that be 15-30 bucks over 3 months. Assuming the battle passes last a month?
The price however is irrelevant.
I am not asking for continuous support. There is no need to have your cake and eat it too.
Anyway, you can have a continuous revenue source without making it predatory. That would be a good start.
Not really. This is just Blizzard being bad.
Yes, that should be a required (legally!) setting.
Indeed they will. Only regulations can stop it.
Isn’t that the entire point. Making you spend money on stuff you likely would never have bought if it was sold in a non-predatory way.
Eh, I bet about ~1% of the games I have played in the last few years have had a battle pass. By far the most games I hear about, but haven’t played, also dont have such Passes. It is getting more common, but it is still extremely uncommon overall. Even less common in non-F2P games.
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I was talking about games with seasonal pass. It used to be largely actual content in those, not “optional” cosmetics. As in, if you didn’t buy them you didn’t have access to actual gameplay.
Sure, I’m just saying that paying once and getting everything the game has to offer has not been guaranteed for a very long time.
Was using season pass and battle pass interchangeable. They mean the same thing afaik. Very few games have either.
Sure, but of the ones that do have them quite a few have gone over to them being “optional” as opposed to having actual game play altering content locked behind them.
So all games prior to these monetization schemes died because of no revenue? It’s quite easy, make a good game, sell it for profit, make expansion, sell if for profit, and on and on. All these extra costs doesn’t need to be there, it’s just pure greed. And people who think it’s fine might start crying in a few years when the companies start adding other costs to their games… as people are generally fine with it. Don’t be a part of the problem, look ahead! 
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Games are made by for profit companies. Of course their main concern is actually making money. They are always going to try to milk as much money as they can from any given product, that’s inevitable. Cosmetics is by far the lesser evil of potential revenue streams, so given the option sure, I root for that because it’s better than all the potential other options.
Well we knew D4 was going to have mtx. I just hope it would not go to far. I guess we will have to wait until they unveil the final decisions regarding all that good stuff. It better be soon. Like the video said if friends and family beta or alpha is out already out closed beta is not far behind. The more information the more we the players may be able to sway things a little.
This is just like when I purchased my new house after the closing I still had to pay thousands of dollars to get the window coverings, fence, sod, lawn sprinkler, decretive rocks. This was all on top of the upgrades. This might be the way Diablo is going you will pay for the bare bones just to get your foot in the door, and it will cost you additional to get everything else. It is Blizzard’s way of saying give us the money.
That is how I see it so far. They seem to be the same thing.
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Free - do the Season/BP and get hit goals, get rewards. Just like D3 Seasons and the Journal milestones we hit. Just like the free Immortal BP/Season and milestones.
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Paid - minimal pay for cosmetics. $5 for a seasonal cosmetic, pet, or other item that does not impact game.
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Paid - higher cost for fancy cosmetics
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Paid - materials that power and progress come with the $$, in addition to cosmetics.
I am good with any of the first 3, esp if the free version feels rewarding. Call it a Season or BattlePass. I don’t care.
We have had thread after thread after thread here on D3 asking why Blizzard does not sell transmogs and pets for D3. People were like - why not? It would give you revenue to keep doing cool Season stuff! Blizz did not do it though, and has still been updating Seasons.
If they opt for the last one in a game where I pay up front, I won’t get it or play it. That makes it feel like a Subscription on top of a paid game price in order to get the basics. That would not be cool.
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That!
I feel the same way. D3 is (still) good because we don’t have to play everyday to get something, we can play wherever we want/can without the fear of be missing something.
PoE Supporter Packs, Kirac’s Vault and other MTX are far better than Battle Passes, because you can buy any time the league is running and don’t need to play daily to earn meaninfull progression or has any major roadblocks. We play we progress, simple as that.
The big difference is, at the end you bought and increased your house value. So, if you decide someday you can sell it. In an online game it isn’t viable. We are not increasing our game value to keep living and building a life in it, with chance to sell in the future.
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Yea the feeling of missing out on something due to lack of time just kinda sucks.
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I’ll not comment until I see how it actually sorts out with game release.
But I will not buy immediately like past games, I will wait until I see reviews and videos and can fully assess it.
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Not okay with the D:I version personally, since it comes with actual power/materials. Even the free one. Which means it isnt optional. All tiers of a season pass has to be cosmetic only.
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So you think the reason things like minecraft, or indy titles like Silksong exist are just motivated by corporate monetary interests? Thankfully you are wrong.
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Really?!?
I would be surprised if this title won’t hit 50 million copies sold week one. IF handled right! @50 USD/€/£ that means an income of 2.5 billions.
That is not a bad income and it can sustain the costs for the future.
The problem is that greed have made the industry unable to be satisfied. So milking the customer has become the new norm. Sad to be honest, having someone swallowing that BS is even sadder.
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I would definitely take D4 not ever getting a single expansion, over buying even a single battle pass, or one piece of cosmetics. That tradeoff is not worth it.
Not that no cosmetic sales would ever have to lead to no expansions.
Worth it!
Supporting the opposite of what you want is a way to tell a company what you want? Your logical is flawless as always.
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