“working as intended” is just Blizzard being lazy and refusing to admit they screwed up.
@Scorp: Everything else can be said about all other pieces of gear other than white and normal gems. Where the devs never intended us to use the legendary and set items like they designed them all because I said so. Blizz stating that is how they intended is just being lazy and refusing to admit that they screwed up right. Also add in multiplayer, where the only legit way to play D3 is to use only white items and solo right.
Now be honest before the changes the season theme was worse. Now it is fun for the ones that take advantage of the mechanics of stack swapping.
Good to see that you know that since Blizz doesn’t look at it as an exploit that is how they called it, not an exploit. Regardless of whether you and others agree with the call.
So, one player stays in town to desynch their stacks, players regularly run away from each other so that their desynch’d stacks don’t reset at the same time, they re-inherit stacks from each other, and none of this was part of the first or second iteration of PTR testing. Does that sound like it was ever how this was designed?
Again, just because they’re calling this “by design” doesn’t alter the fact that this was never what they designed, it’s just what they’re saying to justify not fixing it.
You forgot one - “Finish 150 solo while having your feet in an open fire oven” 
Whether you and others agree with it or not it doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter how many agree with it. As long as they say it isn’t an exploit then it isn’t. Because they are the ones that determine what is and what isn’t and exploit. I guess then the way the patch was on test in the first two iterations it was the greatest seasonal buff ever right. No way they could’ve intended it as a buff to make the seasonal buff better. Or to the point where it can be enjoyable to some that want to play that way.
Also since they decided to change it during season has to mean that they knew that they didn’t do a good job with the current season’s theme. So they decided to buff it using what they did with stack swapping.
Again at the end of the day the why of their decision doesn’t matter, only the decision itself does because they are the ones designing the game and therefore chart the path of intent.
The why only matters to those who feel the decision is controversial to their enjoyment of the game and have no control over the design of the game itself.
We know it is, they know it is and regardless of them saying it isn’t, it is.
If they said cow-pats were chrysanthemums would you want to smell them?
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Why does everyone think that they can’t or don’t know how to fix it? For me the most obvious reason is they don’t want to reset leaderboards. Simple as that. They’re afraid of the backlash though I can’t imagine it being worse than now.
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@ShadowAegis-1537
The patch notes are what informs us of the devs intentions. They sometimes even add explanations, that clarify the intention and the thought process behind their approach.
If we see a skill, that does not match what is described there, we can report it as a bug.
However, if the skill matches the patch notes, how can we possibly describe that as a bug? We can’t!
If the patch notes are some community manager copy pasting from what he sees in-game, instead of what the devs told him, that is… HUMAN ERROR… not a bug.
Yes, Nata was very beneficial for Trail of Cinders, and no, the discipline doesn’t have to be spent only on Trail of Cinders.
I’ve been gaming for what is like 20+ years, I don’t need wikipedia to define to me what’s a bug, what’s an exploit and whatnot.
Listen, I don’t mean to be rude, but from what I’ve read so far, I can only assume two things:
- You are not arguing in good faith and you’re trying to see if you can manipulate me, or you’re legitimately trolling me.
- You have some serious issues with communication, because you’re on the spectrum and you should have a specialist help you with that.
It’s clear to any reasonable person, no matter what justification the devs gave is irrelevant. They don’t wanna waste any more resources on adjusting the seasonal theme.
Now, you can either accept that, or you can go and try to figure it out on wikipedia. If you’re incapable of seeing things for what they are and of reading between the lines, the fault is not mine.
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Ouch, laying down the hammer on him. The way this seasonal buff interacts with a party is definitely not something the devs intended or probably even got to experience during their testing. Unfortunately some people are unable to use common sense and need an authority of sorts telling them what is and what isn’t.
It’s about as much of an exploit as it gets short of Blizzard admitting it, and we all know why they don’t.
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Because they would have fixed it.
Nooo, you don’t understand… you see, if you look this up on wikipedia you’ll know, that common sense is almost always misleading, human perception is flawed, that’s why you need an authoritative source!
In all seriousness, so called authoritative sources are dead wrong on so many things, it’s not even funny.
I really didn’t want to, but it had to be said.
He needs to develop the ability to tell when he’s being BSed, unless of course he’s arguing in bad faith on purpose.
But, again… I really don’t understand how many times must a season be ruined with stupid exploit or made completely unenjoyable for people to stop shilling.
I personally wanted to participate, but after I saw what’s happening, I decided not to. Sure, I could have gotten 150 gems out of it (currently playing solo on NS, stuck with 129 gems), but that’s not the way I wanna play.
You can see my seasonal character on lvl 70, but I haven’t done anything with it. I might gear up some time before the season and clear GR70 to see what Primal I’m gonna get, but that’s it.
I’d rather craft amulets on NS to try and get a trifecta, than waste my time with the already ruined season.
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I wasn’t allowed to use Wikipedia in my studies for references, they said it could be edited. As far as cow patties…I don’t miss the smell, reminds me of the family farm and the dried ones make good fire kindle 
how do you think they are testing something? maybe in excel. after 5 minutes everyone can see whether the set is good or not. the same with this weird season theme. the dev doesn’t even read the code. or he doesn’t understand it. because how can it be that damage has scaled so well with AD?
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Trouble is though there are a few that wouldn’t agree that the devs are the ones that chart the intent.
Good then clever use of game mechanics like using CoE along wither smart game play to optimize your damage output is an exploit. After all devs never intended for players to make clever use of game mechanics.
I am sure that even in meta groups that each one has to use their skills at the proper time to fully optimize the potential of the group and clear the highest GR possible. So that is an exploit, after all it is clever use of game mechanics.
Look I say that the one writing the patch notes got their info from the game itself. All the devs said to the one writing the patch notes was what skills were changed without giving them numbers. Then when the person copies the information from the game that has incorrect information due to the bug that copy is reflected in the patch notes.
But what do I know, from here on out I will say multiplayer, clever use of game mechanics which not only happens in solo but multiplayer are exploits. All because I say so, even the legendary powers and set bonuses are exploits. The rares and magic items are exploits. Legendary gems are exploits. That is right everything that isn’t a white item and playing multiplayer is an exploit because it is my definition. And I can say that Blizz know they are exploits.
After all how dare anyone say that Blizz are the ones that chart the intent of the game. How dare anyone say that they have the final say, when we know they don’t right.
This shows you just don’t want to listen to reason which is getting me real close to beginning to think that the only one that truly knows anything is me and me alone. No one else can tell me anything here because it is just one big pile of people trying to blow smoke up my nose. Everything here is just utter nonsense. That is the path that I am on and those that know me real well know what that means.
The devs no longer define intent it is us the players that define the intent of all of their design choices, right.
I gave more than just wikipedia to prove that I wasn’t making it up. But you don’t care. I could trot out hundreds of sites that would say the same thing and you wouldn’t listen. Why because according to you the players are the ones that chart the intent of the devs in all of their choices. That is why I can say that the only way to play without exploiting is solo and all white items. I only say this when I am on the forums.
I just don’t want to accept your line of reasoning seeing it as you are blowing smoke up my nose.
Really when did the des ever say that they play in such a way that optimizes their performance in a game. Mind showing me a link that said that is indeed how they play.
Oh really, all that is needed to prevent it is to have a timer set for GRs in multiplayer. If everyone is not in the GR by x sec. maybe around 5 you cannot enter.
That makes even the authoritative sources wrong all of the time. Which even means ones like you and the experts of the game can’t teach anyone about the game. How can they when such sources are always wrong.
That makes all dictionaries wrong as well. Where we have to make up meanings for every word in the English language.
Heck it would even be true for the medical profession. Can’t trust them to save your life when you need medical care right.
Then he clearly shouldn’t be copying the infro from the game, but should get the notes from the devs themselves. Again, human error, not a bug.
If you’re never told the original intent, how can you report a bug to begin with? You can’t. You’ll only be informed post facto.
The words “clever use of game mechanics” are basically a meme by now.
It’s usaly people joking or half heartedly trying to say “I didn’t exploit, please, don’t ban me”, even though they know what they did was a banworthy exploit.
Your definition is irrelevant and what you’re saying is nonsense.
The same goes for for your tirade below.
I’ll try and make a final example to try and illustrate what you seem to be unable or unwilling to wrap your head around.
Sets bonuses are clearly not exploits (regardless of your personal definition, or that of the devs, or that of wikipedia). Their power is clearly defined and are in the game for the player to use.
However, if I defeated GR150 with merely white items and my current paragon, because they are somehow bugged (and you wont even need for devs to confirm, that they are bugged, because you would know basic math) and grant more damage than sets, more damage than it logically makes sense given what they show on the tooltipm that would be an exploit… and it would be regardless of whether the devs agreed or not
They can say, that it’s fine, because they don’t wanna dedicate resources on fixing the bug, but everyone in their right mind would know, that it’s an exploit…
everyone, except for you, because you would be like “well, the devs said” or “well, wikipedia said”… because you either can’t tell when someone is BSing you, or because you’re trying to BS yourself…
No, I don’t chart, the intent of the devs. It’s just, that I, unlike you, can spot when the devs change their “intent” on the fly, because they don’t wanna bother to fix the season and to take action against the exploiters.
There are many sites, that would say the Earth is flat… must be true, because I read it on the internet…
A 20 year old can write some nonsense on wikipedia about event, in which I participated and I know for a fact, that what he wrote was wrong. Just because it’s written on wikipedia, does that mean his made up version is more accurate than mine?
Seriously…
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Saying what shouldn’t happen is not the point here, more so if his boss told him to go that route. Remember at work you have to do what the boss says, unless he/she is telling you to do something is illegal.
Here is your real problem with the Trail of Cinders of times past. It is the fact that you and others were not able to spot the bug. That left you and others butt hurt over it.
That means there is one whole build that makes use of clever use of the game mechanics in order to do the most damage. Legacy of Dreams Corpse Lance Necro. They have to wait between uses of Land of the Dead and Simulacrum both huge cooldown skills. Plus it also has to squeeze in good use of Convention of Elements in order to maximize damage. They cannot just use both huge cooldown skills as soon as they are off of cooldown unless Convention of Elements cycle is up for the right element.
Since that build is using a clever use of game mechanics that I am speaking about then that is just another exploit. Also the burst damage of Convention of Elements is just another exploit so it should be removed.
What is the only way to make sure there are no exploits. Simple, have the game where the only items that exist are white items. Along with removing multiplayer entirely. Maybe not have any seasonal theme.
But you have to make clever use of the skills that the sets supports, DH set Embodiment of the Marauder I am looking at you. That set you have to be good at setting down the sentries (Polar Station rune) in order to get the most damage out of the items you are using. So clever use of the games mechanics to maximize damage output is an exploit according to you.
That is unless you are saying at this point you and you alone are the one that determines what is an exploit or not.
But what if bugs get in and change the damage of all of the damaging skills to the 10’s of thousands of percent of weapon damage, gives super high damage reduction like sets and legendary items all with white items. Now the only thing that would be known of as a bug would be the defensive side of the coin. Because the damage boost would be in the tooltips so that means that the devs made a mistake in the tooltips, it wouldn’t be a bug according to your earlier statement of a mistake isn’t a bug.
Also the gold dupe bug of times past wasn’t an exploit it was a bug. Bugs are not exploits according to the definition of a bug in a video game.
But you have created your own dictionary of words that is nothing like that of any dictionary, whether it be old style paperback or online version.
Some things are obviously frauds. But that is because of all other supporting data. The one thing that isn’t so obvious is intent. Why because intent is a mental state. This would mean that you can know the mental state of the development team. That is impossible to do with any development team.
In criminal court intent is one of the hardest things to prove. Below is an actual quote coming from a legal firm’s website that I will link below.
The prosecution must present evidence that is credible and sufficient to prove that it was the defendant who committed each element of the crime charged. This must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt to produce a guilty verdict. Since intent is a mental state, it is one of the most difficult things to prove.
https://www.gabriellawteam.com/what-is-intent-and-how-is-it-proved-in-court/
Above I highlighted the same thing that I said earlier to prove that it is difficult to prove intent.
This just says that their intentions can change because the game is continually changing, which makes since. With each new patch is a different iteration of the game.
Whether the devs made the right choice is the only thing that matters to us. They way they decided to call the current stack swapping not an exploit is just seen as a bad decision instead of an exploit at this point because it is their call. Which of course in the coming days they can switch tracks and call it an exploit. Blizz does seem to have a penchant for doing that IIRC.
This statement is saying that you cannot learn anything from anyone at all. Just because some of the things on the net are wrong, doesn’t mean all of them are. If so then I can say that no one knows anything at all. They are only dreaming that they know what they think they know.
That is unless you are trying to set yourself up as some wise all knowing guru of all things.
But looking at Wikipedia as always wrong is not a good thing either. Just because it can be edited doesn’t mean that it is faulty. Also I used another website that showed what the definition of an exploit is showing two sources that back each other up.
How can anything be called an exploit if it is not against the intentions of the developers. That makes zero sense, otherwise set bonuses and Convention of Elements are exploits like I mentioned earlier.
We don’t believe that it was the intention of the developers.
Are you really trying to persuade us that they deliberately designed something that relies on stack de-synching, players regularly running out of range of each other, stack re-inheritance and teams clearing GR150s with under 2000 paragon in the first week or so of the season? Really?
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@ShadowAegis
Your whole “logic”… or lack of such when it comes to what’s an exploit vs playing mechanics is total nonsense, and I gotta say is, that I can now see why you have to resort to sites in order for something to be explained to you… cause you have issues comprehending things for yourself. The alternative is, that you’re trolling. Pick one.
I already gave you a hypothetical, although somewhat exaggerated example:
If I am beating a max lvl GR with white items, weapon with 1-2 dmg, armor pieces with 1 armor, no buffs to skills and whatnot, clearly I am exploiting something.
Even if the devs say “it’s fine”, because they don’t wanna bother to fix it, we would still know it’s an exploit… because some of us are experienced gamers, know basic logic and mathematics and we would know for a fact, that what they say makes no sense.
They can say it’s their intent, but you would have to be a moron not to spot the inconsistency.
And that’s why your entire premise… moronic.
Yes, you can catch someone in a lie!
Yes! That’s exactly what he’s been trying to do all this time, and I’ve been wasting my time trying to communicate with him. And he’s trying to BS us!
Yeah… that’s literally called being Devil’s Advocate!
And yes, Meteorblade just completely destroyed your whole pseudo-argument, Shadow. If I was a mod, you’d be suspended for trolling long ago.
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