Bad decision or cover-up, it doesn’t change the fact that the referee has the final decision. I’m not under the impression that @shadowaegis is defending Blizzard’s decision, he is just underlining a fact of the matter.
You might be able to influence the developers by stating your opinions and hope they will say “sorry we screwed up” and adjust the theme even more, but looking at decisions made in the past, I don’t have high hopes for that. Better just leave the game if you find it boring or too unfair.
I have no such hopes. And I personally don’t care that much since this game is pretty much on life support at this point. But I just feel like expressing my opinions regardless.
The only reason this game is on life support is because they just don’t want to listen to their playerbase.
They prefer to only ruin “OP” builds to the ground instead of matching other sets to the OP one or other legendary items.
Why? Because it’s easier and takes less time than buff other items even though they could probably do it in 1 or 2 days maybe max a week, but why bother…
They could also lower the scalling of mobs Health per rift, but I guess that’s just to hard, even though it’s been already done few times…
If monsters and Rift Guardians had less HP and armor than we wouldn’t need the constant buffs to class sets so we can actually clear highier GRs instead of being stuck on max GR 100 for META groups only…
How come ubers in D2 LoD had 650,000 - 660,000 HP on Hell, but in D3 RoS trash mobs have billions of HP and than some people wonder why have the constant power creep and come to forums crying about how the game is too easy, cause META groups clear 150 GR in less than 5 minutes
If monsters, Rift Guardians, Bosses or Elites didn’t have more than lets say 100,000,000 for bosses and guardians, ubers and 50,000,000 for trash mobs, than it wouldn’t be so hard to balance the game and more legendaries would be useful, unlike it’s now…
I see, then your opinion has been stated, many times over, as many others as well, I have seen more than one thread complaining about this, and I see that Blizzard don’t give a squat. No need to call people dumb for stating facts that you obviously are aware of.
It’s not like D3 is a democratic country where everyone gets to vote for what they like, it’s a game developed by a private company which dictates every single aspect. You can take it or leave it.
Once I was stupid enough to think that Blizzard cared for “justice”, balance and players feelings, and I complained with passion. For that I got banned permanently from the forum. Now I know better.
^^ That is the spirit, don’t give any time or attention to something you don’t like. Stand firm to your principles, the word comes from latin and means “first in order of importance”. Everything must be built on the right principles in order to last and be healthy.
That is why I’m considering not to buy D4, I don’t really like Blizzard and how they operate anymore, even though I love D2 and D3.
Huh? I did not call anyone dumb. I think you might be confusing me with someone else.
In fact, I made a total of 2 comments regarding this whole thing (not counting my reply to you):
Even if they are not covering up, and that was actually intended, that just means they are horrible game designers and whoever “intended” for something broken like that to happen needs to re-evaluate all his notions about how to design RPG mechanics.
and
I’m not interested in discussing what-ifs. The fact is, that this case is either an exploit or just a really terrible game design decision.
the last one being just my reply to someone who tagged me, with the intent to make it clear that I’m not really interested in debating this since it would be a waste of time. So I’m not sure what you mean by “many times over” when I literally just expressed my opinion once. Something everyone is allowed to do on a forum (in a polite and civil way)
Good to see that you agree that Blizz has the final say. Since they don’t call it an exploit that means we can use it if we want to. Otherwise players would be able to call anything an exploit. Even some of the silly things that I mentioned earlier. If a solo player never plays on a team they could call team play an unfair advantage if Blizz didn’t have the final say. Now we can move on from here.
I have forgotten how tooltips are made. The text for the tooltip was no doubt written by hand. This means that in the past Trail of Cinders’ tooltip was written like this.
Vault- Trail of Cinders
Leave a trail of fire in your wake that deals x% weapon damage as fire over 3 seconds.
The game back then pulled the data from the game and that is why it did like it said it would. So it would pull 1500 from the game and place it in the tooltip as the number like it is programmed to do. So the bug could still exist that made it where did the 5 times the damage it was intended to do. No discipline skill should ever trump a hatred skill at doing damage. Below is an actual quote on Trail of Cinders change from diablowiki.net and I will leave the link to prove what I am saying is the truth.
Is it a bug that the toottip says 1500% as well?
The tooltip pulls from the actual game data. Since the rune is currently dealing 1500% weapon damage, the tooltip value reflects this.
https://www.diablowiki.net/Trail_of_Cinders
Unless that set returned discipline for the amount of discipline spent I would say no they didn’t lie. More so since that quote said where the tooltip got its number for Trail of Cinders.
IIRC there was a time when Blizz removed Critical Mass from the Wizard’s passive skills. As well as nerfed the WW barb to the point of being useless. No doubt there were other sets that players bought with real money that could’ve been based on both of those skills staying at their current value.
I don’t recall Blizz calling them a bug.
Since Blizz has the final say then it is not an exploit it is that simple. I could say that since I decide not to use Boon of the Hoarder that everyone that does is using an exploit and the season is ruined for me. Since I wouldn’t take advantage of what is clearly to me an exploit. Now see where I am going with this.
Come on now be honest with me do you really think that Blizz didn’t intend on buffing the season theme to make it go from meh to half way decent.
Is it an exploit when players have to play together using good timing on the skills they are using. Something that can be done in both season and non season. Because that is what this amounts to. Instead of complaining just take advantage of it. If you don’t want to then don’t, but by all means stop calling it an exploit when Blizz says it isn’t.
Otherwise I will look at teaming as an exploit. Something that must be done away with.
Even though I have set this season out it is not for what you are wanting me to do it for.
I am doing it because I am not interested in it. Plus I am still looking to get a new computer since the one that I am using is over eight years old. Whether I build or buy one is still not 100% certain, even though atm I am heavily leaning on building my first pc to play games like this one.
I should be able to build one anyway since I have upgraded every computer that I have ever owned to play games. Yes I have taken new non gaming pcs and made them into gaming pcs. The only thing that I haven’t done is installing the cpu on the motherboard. Installing the cooler on the motherboard. Installing the motherboard on the case. Installing the I/O shield. Installing the front I/O panel of the case.
If I have to be everyone’s Yes Man/No man. Where I am not allowed to voice my own opinion. Or worse not even allowed to have one. Where it is like that phrase abandon all hope ye who enter here. Where it is the one person posts and everyone instantly agrees forums. You know that I will not do that.
Be honest with me, wasn’t the season kind of meh before such a change. Now for some it is fun to play. Are you also saying it is impossible for them to forget to put something in the patch notes.
What you don’t think it is possible for them to forget to put that in the patch notes. The season did need a buff of some sort to be considered a decent theme for some.
You are left with only one conclusion as far as the way you are looking at it since they are not calling it an exploit and it would take them to call it that for it to be that.
Oh so now it means that you keep moving the baseline of performance because of the insane power creep. Great idea, that means Blizz should make the baseline GR150 @5k paragon instead of GR130 @5k paragon. But doing that means that nothing will be anywhere near a challenge.
It wasn’t just the tooltip, it was in the patch notes as well. Human error is not what we commonly understand as a bug.
Bla bla… Yes, the original Nata set was very beneficial for playing with Trail of Cinders, it granted 2 Discipline per second.
I am happy to agree, that Blizzard have a final say on what’s in the game.
However, I will never agree, that they get to redefine the meaning of words.
Oh, I agree, that competing for solo spot with gems lvled in 4 player mode is totally lame.
That was the pre-RoS patch. WW was king since people someone figured out the spec and Kripparian popularized it. It wasn’t dependent on set items. The BiS items were not IK, things like Mempo, witching hour, 2x1Handers worked better than the IK set.
And… interestingly enough a blue poster (maybe Bashiok, not sure) was saying back in 2011 on the oldest D3 forum, that he’s making a perpetual WW build, so I am actually surprised it took so long for people to start playing it.
My thought on it is that even if it is not an exploit because Blizz says so, doesn’t mean what they say is “right” to the players.
If they say it isn’t an exploit than yeah…it’s not an exploit, at least in blizzards rules. However, doesn’t mean it was “the right call”. This can also mean that the majority of players (people) dislike their call and think it should be considered an exploit.
In mass thinking, it’s majority rules at least in a “democracy” style setting. Then again, if the birth of democracy Greeks were around now, they would laugh at what we call “democracy”.
Blizzard is also a private company which means their employees can do what they want with their games, regardless of what the consumers/players want. As long as the person making the decision has the go ahead from their boss, they can call what they want.
Blizz as of right now says it’s not an exploit so it isn’t an exploit in the rules of blizzard. Your opinions can differ, but what has been said is done until further changes are made.
Anyway, the best way to protest this thing is not playing season. Either stop playing until the season ends, or just roll nonseason. The numbers will show better than anything else how many people are unsatisfied with this.
That is, assuming enough people actually care. If not, then I guess dedicated players were never the target audience to begin with
Having the baseline 130 GR @5k paragon is the reason why there are so many BOTS. If you need 5000 paragon just to clear a 130 GR than it just shows that there’s something very wrong with the game.
Clearing the highiest GR in D3 RoS isn’t the only challenge in the game. You want a challenge than:
kill Malthael in Adventure Mode with your fresh newly created char at level 1 using his/hers normal weapon on T6 or even using any ancient or primal weapon, but no other items at all, no items cubed and no follower or any paragon points at all.
Get almost ALL achievements in the game
Master ALL set dungeons
Get ALL perfect primal items for your build
Solo 130-150 GR in any season without any help of Exploits, THUD, macros or numlock tricks or BOTS and doing only MAX 110 GR in groups on Hardcore with every class
Complete ALL conquests in season journey
Solo 120-130 GR with every class in season doing max 110 GRs in groups and only by pushing SOLO GRs on Hardcore with every class
Solo 130-150 GR in season or non-season with a new D3 RoS account after playing ONLY solo without any helpers (macros, abusing exploits, META groups, BOTs, numlock tricks, not even public games for bounties or rifts) with any class you want
Complete campaign mode in less than an hour with every class in game
Here’s your challenges. I wonder how many if any you can actually complete…
Even if we could solo 150 GR with 1500-2000 paragon and only 100-110 caldesans and 110+ rank legendary gems it doesn’t mean there’s no challenge in the game…
Of course you’ll defend anything that Blizz says and does, no matter how wrong they would be…
They only decided to announce that it wasn’t an exploit because they had no idea how to fix it and address all the people that already exploited it for GR150s, high level Caldesann’s augments and rank 150 gems, and were unwilling to face the backlash that a rollback / leaderboard reset would get them from the legit players that hadn’t used the exploit.
In short, they don’t get to redefine words. If they said cow-pats were chrysanthemums would you want a vase full of them?
I get what you are saying, but they already have my money. I think the best way to protest this is to be vocal about your displeasure and to let them know the reasons you are not happy. Not spending money on anymore Blizzard titles would be great as well.
I don’t normally see eye to eye with ShadowAegis but I feel he is spot on with this one. At the end of the day it is Blizzard’s call what constitutes an exploit. As consumers we have the option to shop elsewhere is we don’t agree.
Man, that is a challenge, but doable. I personally would need all season and more hours than I can spare to do it. Even then, I doubt that I could do every class at 120-130 in that time-frame and the hours I have to play it.
If you wanted to make it tougher, remove all allowances for any group play whatsoever. The primal is easier than it sounds because you’d go the LoD path which means who’s to say what anyone builds there is not perfect for them?
The time-frame is an important criteria because some of the achievements in the game, to get all of them, require going in and out several times for something to spawn. Man, that is some list. Killa.
Sorry, but Blizzard saying this is intended / by design rather than an exploit fails the duck test, i.e. if it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.
Them saying it’s not an exploit doesn’t alter the fact that it is, we know it is, so do they and we know they’re just saying that because it’s easier than fixing it.
A lot of people seem upset, but most people stop playing seasons after a few weeks anyway regardless of theme. I still play an hour or two a day and mostly do speed 105-110GRs which last less than 3-4 minutes so no big impact of the season theme.
You actually need a dedicated team with team chat to take full advantage of the stack sharing. But then these guys are going to do 150s anyway. They just do it quicker. Un-coordinated you can probably do 5-10 GRs higher but really no big deal.
Basically, most of the time, someone just enters the GRs 30 second later so you get a little bit of a buff. Kind of like S19. It takes a while to build up the stacks so the theme only comes into play towards the end and you often get a snowball in the wrong direction or meteors that don’t hit much. Of yeah, there’s also the totally useless fire log…
I did expect you to look at it this way. Like saying the patch notes had to be perfect. When they got their information from the tooltips without checking then that information is faulty. It is the bug that caused the 100% to be applied every tick instead of every second. so that would make it 1500% and the tooltip and patch notes would reflect that value. Even though the devs never intended for that rune to trump hatred spending skills in damage.
Not unless the discipline regenerated was just for using Trail of Cinders. It could’ve been any defensive skills that would benefit from that set.
Exploit: n video games , an exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hit boxes, speed or level design etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game’s designers.
That definition comes from wikipedia.com and ggrecon.com agrees and I will leave links to prove it.
Both sites give basically the same definition of exploit. So since Blizz doesn’t call it an exploit it isn’t one. Otherwise Blizz would have to get rid of multiplayer because it is an exploit. Heck even sets and legendary items would be deemed as exploits. Where the only thing that should exists as gear is white items. Everything else is all exploits.
Video game companies don’t go by democracy rules.
That 5k paragon is used as a baseline no doubt due to the fact that is what it would take to clear it as long as your gear is not good enough or you don’t get a good rift to clear it. Or your gems, augments, and everything else isn’t up to par to be able to do it. What I am thinking is that 5k paragon is there to say that is what is needed to lower the chances of fishing for the perfect rift.
I have never used them nor the force to move trick either and I have still cleared a GR121 with the WW barb in season 19.
The literal definition of exploit is the use of a bug or glitches, game system, rates, hitboxes, speed or level design, etc. by a player to their advantage in a manner not intended by the game’s designers.
Since it is the intended design of the developers then we can use it. Even though people disagree with it, doesn’t mean that it is an exploit. Or I could call the use of all gear other than white items exploits. Along with multiplayer being an exploit. Meaning that Blizz would have to remove all of those things.
Okay then I am the one that makes all of the rules. So multiplayer and all gear outside of white items and normal gems are exploits and Blizz knows that they are exploits.
