So let me get this straight, the main argument for nerfing Rend Barb is that it did a 140 with paragon 10,500 in PTR, and that 140 or higher is “too high” for Barb, and that the only classes where doing 140 is acceptable are Wizard and Necro, because those two are getting nerfed.
That’s the argument, right?
Well now we’ve got three 142 WD clears (one in EU, two on US) and a 140 DH clear in EU. With builds that will not be getting nerfed in the patch.
So what’s the argument now? That WD and DH are OK for 140 but 140 is too high for Barb?
There’s a clear level of bias in people calling Barb to be nerfed.
They cherry pick data when it suits their purposes but they don’t tell you that next patch, and even now, WD Wiz and DH can already do 140, and will still be able to next patch.
How is all that speculation the simplest explanation? Comes across as your personal view more than anything.
At any rate this is about arguments related to clear potential, “the Barb community” isn’t a monolith because Barbs play other classes and other classes play Barb.
I don’t care what the Fotm is or was. ARPGs aren’t about “maining”.
All the finger pointing at a nerf. The devs chose it for reasons. Now put on your big boy pants OP and enjoy killing some demons without crying moar.
Do you really care that other classes can get further than what you’ve chosen to restrict yourself to? Does it effect your game play? Do you win a prize for playing the most powerful class? Does it make your epeen feel better? No? Then just play what you want and enjoy the challenge within the class.
Note that was a time when barb dps was miserable. And with a little sarcasm, I was welcoming that friend to years of suffering and frustration. Everybody was switching to Int classes and there were barely any barb player except zdps.
I know you’re playing devil’s advocate, but for those who do believe Barb mains are entitled, I have to ask: did you look? There are threads after threads of people in the PTR feedback forum thanking the devs, and talking about how excited they are to play Barb again. I’ve dropped a small sample of links under the cut below, if anyone wanted proof, but IMO it’s not accurate at all to say that Barbs are entitled - it’s unfairly tarring every Barb main with the same brush.
Just give the poor bastards their buff back. Folks can argue that Blizzard have their reasons, but given the fact that Barbs have been languishing at the bottom - or near the bottom - of the leaderboards for years now, it’s pretty hard to countenance such a nerf. Who does it hurt at this stage in the game’s life, when 3 out of the 7 classes can solo GR140, for Barbarians to join them?
Assuming someone was stalking your posts. Or that you’re important enough to be bothered with.
The alternative answer could be - how high does WW actually clear before the buff, let’s type “diablo 3 highest whirlwind clear” into google and see which thread shows up first.
Unless we see a blue response we can only guess why they nerfed the belt/build. It cant be because of that 1 high clear now cant it.
I seriously doubt people called for nerfs because they do not like the barbs that play it.
You obviously missed all those “AWESOME, THANKS!!!” threads in the PTR and here, as well as the Barb section.
So you either
need glasses, or
you’re lying your candy bum off because you’re one of those who hates Barbs & their community, but you’re not smart enough to even troll properly, so you come off looking like Orange Toupee Man.
So which is it, honey?
Don’t bother, baby. With the D4 announcement the troll community got their second wind. Too bad they never had the smarts to pull it off the right way.
Strawman. I was addressing the issue of Superior Attitude in regards to your reply.
I don’t know how your reply of Rend doing damage instead of WW has anything to do with my reply to yours.
I was doing research on prebuff WW build and clears to compare to my PTR clear. And consistently in threads, I just run into superior attitudes. Yours just happens to be the one I was looking at when I wrote my original reply.
Not a thank you? Have you not seen nearly all the current diablo creators positive feedback of whirlwind barb? Not just positive feedback mind you, why don’t you go ahead and look up s19 whirlwind barb builds and see the enthusiasm in these creators voices as well as excitement that barb has just received equalizing treatment to that of wizard, necro, demon hunter, really any other class except monk who needs a few buffs as well, in order to be able to push leaderboards again and not have 1200 para to FARM a t16 in groups, with a speed build, and not die. Speed T16 farming should be accomplished with any decent set with correct rolls and really only ancient weapons since t16 is a 75 GR and is the bare MINIMUM required to even get keys in a quick fashion in order to think about pushing. The entire barb community, as well as many others in other classes including nearly all of my personal friends list, as well as just random people that i met i bountys or gr pushing, have welcomed this build. This puts barb not needing 10k paragon, or in other words 9 hours a day of straight gr pushing, in order to compete. Rather it made it so barb can push with ease such as that of impale, chantodo’s, thorns necro, etc. The lamentation nerf is not called for and the barb community is asking to reinstate the original buff, or at the very least. Nerf it from 200 to 100-150 to still be able to get damage multipliers when giving up a belt that could be used for crimsons or chilnik’s chain.
Basically, the premise the OP presents is that the nerf occurred because the developers were to stupid to recognize that WW wasn’t overpowered compared to other builds.
Nowhere in any of my posts do I say that Rend is overpowered.
Basically, barbs think that the devs don’t understand the numbers so we’ll reply with numbers.
If the premise is the devs do understand the numbers and they think barbs are just in general toxic and unlikable, then presenting numbers doesn’t actually fix that.
About there being few posts about the nerfs to the wizard within the wizard forum. There isn’t NEAR the amount of wizard enthusiasts posting in there in general. The ones complaining about the nerfs seem to be posting within barb posts more than in their respective forum.
Large heads within the barb community is there, but’s it’s there in any community within all classes in this game and every game. If it’s common in the real world, it will show in games as well.
Fact remains that there has been nerfs to, say, wizard builds…but all the “numbers” point to them still being where barb would be IF the belt didn’t get nerfed at all. Seasonal buff? Barb might benefit from that more than some classes but not all, other class builds will benefit just as much. This should not be used against the barbs wanting the long overdue buff.
There is no argument that’s legit saying “ the barb should be nerfed if the wizard is”, people seem to forget the wizard has had the “op” buff for multiple seasons…hasn’t even started a season for the barbs…let alone the wizard would still be “on par” with their nerfs. So it is a case of “ you nerf my class, I want their class nerfed “. Funny as I haven’t seen much talk about sader and their new buff and I’m glad. There shouldn’t be ANY nerf, but that’s all on blizzard and why the 150 GR is the sacred number.
Nowhere have I said that barb nerf was justified in any way. Nowhere have I said that the OP was un-knowledgeable. I have less than 30 posts so it’s easy to search.
My position is this and you can refute any of my points:
Some barbs think that the developers don’t understand the numbers and aren’t looking at all the data - therefore they present numbers as counter argument
Some barbs think that since the developers don’t have all the data that they are using troll data as part of their decision making - therefore they present numbers showing how the troll numbers are wrong
Some barbs think that the developers are biased - therefore you get quotes like replies like this “There is a tide in the affairs of trolls, which always leads to a barb nerf…”
My proposition is this:
If (and that’s a monumental if) the developers were biased, then they didn’t nerf based on troll numbers, they nerfed because they like the trolls more than they like barbs.
The OP you are talking about is one of THE top barb players as well as maining DH and Wiz as well. He knows the game inside and out. He can call out any BS that we come across.
And when it comes to this barb community, it must be the best community such that even wizards are posting in these forums. As one of the posters stated here.
Moreover, barb community and its builds guides are where we help most of the members and there is a general warmth. So that we feel to say “ahhhh a new blood. Welcome”. This is a warm welcome to a new friend. If you claim this to be related to feeling superiority, I find this as a self reflection of your own insecurity for which you are trying to reflect on others.
We know each other as barb community. It has always been this way. If you did not experience this in other forums, too bad for you. But you dont have to corrupt these forums with your toxic replies.
